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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2013, 09:02:03 pm »
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And they say Secret Chamber is the weakest $2 card in the game...  ;)

Its reaction is absolutely devastating sometimes worthwhile against Swindler and Thief.  As if Thief needed to be made worse.  And Minion too, I suppose.

I completely crushed somebody using pirate ships.  He didn't think about the secret chamber, and he was wondering why I was buying so many.  When I revealed it for the first time, he realized what was going on.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2013, 11:49:49 pm »
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And they say Secret Chamber is the weakest $2 card in the game...  ;)

Its reaction is absolutely devastating against Swindler and Thief.  As if Thief needed to be made worse.  And Minion too, I suppose.
And Noble Brigand...and Saboteur...pretty much everything that messes with your deck

Nah, it's not that great against Saboteur.  You still lose a card, you just get some choice over what gets trashed.  And Noble Brigand its only that devastating if you have copper in hand.  Otherwise it's not that good.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2013, 12:26:04 am »
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And they say Secret Chamber is the weakest $2 card in the game...  ;)

Its reaction is absolutely devastating against Swindler and Thief.  As if Thief needed to be made worse.  And Minion too, I suppose.
And Noble Brigand...and Saboteur...pretty much everything that messes with your deck

Nah, it's not that great against Saboteur.  You still lose a card, you just get some choice over what gets trashed.  And Noble Brigand its only that devastating if you have copper in hand.  Otherwise it's not that good.
Put a BV/Peddler on the deck, or put something cheap up. Granted you lost a card, but it's still definitely better than some.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2013, 01:31:46 am »
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The proper use of Secret Chamber against Saboteur is probably to just leave junk on top so the Saboteur skips it for you.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2013, 01:57:24 am »
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You can do that, but sometimes you want to leave a throwaway card on top so that something better doesn't get hit.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2013, 05:46:13 am »
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You can do that, but sometimes you want to leave a throwaway card on top so that something better doesn't get hit.
Yeah thats what I was talking about.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2013, 07:19:25 pm »
+3

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/28/game-20130128-160945-463272b9.html

On turn 19 I draw: a Copper, 2 Wishing Wells, an Estate, and a Bridge. I had just reshuffled and I have 3 King's Courts in my deck.

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... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
... wishing for a King's Court and finding one.
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... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action.
... wishing for a King's Court and finding one.


Then I have just enough buys after KC-KC-BR-BR to close it out. 8)
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2013, 04:51:12 pm »
+5

I really like King's Courting or Throne Rooming Feast. It's a fun non-obvious combo.

In this set the only +buy was Woodcutter, the only +actions was Nobles, the only source of trashing was Masq, and the only +$ action card was Cutpurse (in addition to Woodcutter). And we needed to get to KC fast. Which means in the end game we were both short +buy (since we didn't want to pick up Woodcutters early). Both of us ended up using big $ hands to buy Woodcutters (and second big dollar hands to pick up second Woodcutters).

But the real thing I'm proud of is picking up Feast on my second last turn. It let me do this on my last turn:

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/29/game-20130129-134431-8b519897.html

   — ednever's turn 16 —
   ednever plays a King's Court.
   ... and plays a King's Court.
   ... ... and plays a Nobles.
   ... ... ... drawing 3 cards.
   ... ... and plays the Nobles again.
   ... ... ... drawing 3 cards.
   ... ... and plays the Nobles a third time.
   ... ... ... (ednever reshuffles.)
   ... ... ... drawing 3 cards.
   ... and plays the King's Court again.
   ... ... and plays a King's Court.
   ... ... ... and plays a Nobles.
   ... ... ... ... drawing 3 cards.
   ... ... ... and plays the Nobles again.
   ... ... ... ... getting +2 actions.
   ... ... ... and plays the Nobles a third time.
   ... ... ... ... getting +2 actions.
   ... ... and plays the King's Court again.
   ... ... ... and plays a King's Court.
   ... ... ... ... and plays a Feast.
   ... ... ... ... ... trashing the Feast.
   ... ... ... ... ... gaining a Woodcutter.
   ... ... ... ... and plays the Feast again.
   ... ... ... ... ... gaining a Woodcutter.
   ... ... ... ... and plays the Feast a third time.
   ... ... ... ... ... gaining a Woodcutter.
   ... ... ... and plays the King's Court again.
   ... ... ... ... and plays a Nobles.
   ... ... ... ... ... (ednever reshuffles.)
   ... ... ... ... ... drawing 3 cards.
   ... ... ... ... and plays the Nobles again.
   ... ... ... ... ... drawing 1 card.
   ... ... ... ... and plays the Nobles a third time.
   ... ... ... ... ... getting +2 actions.
   ... ... ... and plays the King's Court a third time.
   ... ... ... ... and plays a Woodcutter.
   ... ... ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... ... ... ... and plays the Woodcutter again.
   ... ... ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... ... ... ... and plays the Woodcutter a third time.
   ... ... ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... ... and plays the King's Court a third time.
   ... ... ... and plays a Woodcutter.
   ... ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... ... ... and plays the Woodcutter again.
   ... ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... ... ... and plays the Woodcutter a third time.
   ... ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... and plays the King's Court a third time.
   ... ... and plays a Woodcutter.
   ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... ... and plays the Woodcutter again.
   ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ... ... and plays the Woodcutter a third time.
   ... ... ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ednever plays a Woodcutter.
   ... getting +1 buy and +$2.
   ednever plays a Woodcutter.
   ... getting +1 buy and +$2.

   ednever plays 2 Coppers and 3 Silvers.
   ednever buys a King's Court.
   ednever buys a King's Court.
   ednever buys a Woodcutter.
   ednever buys a Woodcutter.
   ednever buys a Province.
   ednever buys an Estate.
   (ednever reshuffles.)
   (ednever draws: 2 King's Courts, 2 Woodcutters, and a Nobles.)

Giving me enough cash and buys to buy the last two King's Courts, the rest of the Woodcutters and a Province for the win.

Going from $14 buys of Woodcutters to emptying two piles for a mega-turn is a ton of fun!

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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2013, 05:50:34 pm »
+5

This time in the right topic. ::)

You play a Warehouse.
... You draw a Copper, a Warehouse, and a Gold and get +1 action.
... You discard a Curse, a Cutpurse, and a Copper.
You play a Warehouse.
... (You reshuffle.)
... You draw a Curse, a Cutpurse, and a Copper and get +1 action.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2013, 12:11:50 am »
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I was going to keep this going until there was only 1 of each left in every pile, since the bot seemed insistent on not ending the game out of its favor.

http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130129/log.505c6195a2e6c78ad2ed5a99.1359522586501.txt

362 points, and I would have gone higher.  I had a Golden-ish deck going for a while, but I got bored of it and tried different things.  How's this?
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2013, 01:39:41 am »
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The bots never end the game in a loss, ever, I think.

If you set up the appropriate monument deck, you can get as high in points as you want, I wager.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2013, 02:35:45 am »
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The bots never end the game in a loss, ever, I think.

If you set up the appropriate monument deck, you can get as high in points as you want, I wager.
I have seen the bots end the game in a loss. At one point I thought they did the math and ended it if they couldn't win, but since then I've seen it fail to end a game it couldn't win.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2013, 02:39:01 am »
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The bots never end the game in a loss, ever, I think.

If you set up the appropriate monument deck, you can get as high in points as you want, I wager.
I have seen the bots end the game in a loss. At one point I thought they did the math and ended it if they couldn't win, but since then I've seen it fail to end a game it couldn't win.
Maybe a fixed bug? Or a different bot?
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2013, 08:05:42 pm »
+1

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/31/game-20130131-161741-d1dc72bd.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/31/game-20130131-170404-1c01be5e.html

  — OutdrawnOnceAgain's turn 17 —
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... (OutdrawnOnceAgain reshuffles.)
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays 3 Coppers and 2 Silvers.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   (OutdrawnOnceAgain draws: 5 Treasuries.)
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2013, 08:08:19 pm »
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The bots never end the game in a loss, ever, I think.

If you set up the appropriate monument deck, you can get as high in points as you want, I wager.
I have seen the bots end the game in a loss. At one point I thought they did the math and ended it if they couldn't win, but since then I've seen it fail to end a game it couldn't win.

Maybe they are coded in such way that they have a certain chance, depending on the "smartness" of the bot, to miscalculate! That would be awesome.
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2013, 08:45:49 pm »
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http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/31/game-20130131-161741-d1dc72bd.html

...

Wrong link?

And well, that's... interesting.

Fixed.
But that game was awsome too, Outpost owned that game when I used Courtyard to ensure that I have a scrying pool on my 3-card turns  ;D
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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2013, 08:52:21 pm »
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Thanks to a really convenient Treasure setup and Wharf support, Mandarin shenanigans guarantee three consecutive Provinces and then a Duchy.

   — Stealth Tomato's turn 12 —
   Stealth Tomato draws 2 cards and gets +1 buy from the Wharf.
   Stealth Tomato plays a Wharf.
   ... drawing 2 cards and getting +1 buy.
   Stealth Tomato plays 3 Coppers, 2 Golds, and 2 Silvers.
   Stealth Tomato buys a Province.
   Stealth Tomato buys a Mandarin.
   ... putting 3 Coppers, 2 Golds, and 2 Silvers back on the deck (in some order).
   (Stealth Tomato draws: a Copper, 2 Golds, and 2 Silvers.)

   — Stealth Tomato's turn 13 —
   Stealth Tomato draws 2 cards and gets +1 buy from the Wharf.
   Stealth Tomato plays 3 Coppers, 2 Golds, and 2 Silvers.
   Stealth Tomato buys a Province.
   Stealth Tomato buys a Mandarin.
   ... putting 3 Coppers, 2 Golds, and 2 Silvers back on the deck (in some order).
   (Stealth Tomato draws: 3 Coppers, a Gold, and a Silver.)

   — Stealth Tomato's turn 14 —
   Stealth Tomato plays 3 Coppers, a Gold, and a Silver.
   Stealth Tomato buys a Province.
   (Stealth Tomato reshuffles.)
   (Stealth Tomato draws: a Copper, a Province, an Estate, a Gold, and a Silver.)

   — Stealth Tomato's turn 15 —
   Stealth Tomato plays a Copper, a Gold, and a Silver.
   Stealth Tomato buys a Duchy.
   (Stealth Tomato draws: 2 Coppers, a Province, an Apprentice, and a Mandarin.)
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2013, 02:09:58 am »
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http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/31/game-20130131-161741-d1dc72bd.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/31/game-20130131-170404-1c01be5e.html

  — OutdrawnOnceAgain's turn 17 —
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... (OutdrawnOnceAgain reshuffles.)
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays a Treasury.
   ... drawing 1 card and getting +1 action and +$1.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain plays 3 Coppers and 2 Silvers.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   OutdrawnOnceAgain returns a Treasury to the top of the deck.
   (OutdrawnOnceAgain draws: 5 Treasuries.)

But... what?   ???
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Re: Greatest Dominion moments 2013
« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2013, 03:26:13 am »
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Looking at the log, the guy seemed to be intending to make a golden-deck-like thing where he'd play a bunch of treasuries, buy something and bishop it. Didn't do a very good job of it  though.
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« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2013, 03:41:21 am »
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Looking at the log, the guy seemed to be intending to make a golden-deck-like thing where he'd play a bunch of treasuries, buy something and bishop it. Didn't do a very good job of it  though.

So why not buy at least a Gold with all those Treasuries?  That's what I don't get.
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« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2013, 04:07:57 am »
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I think the issue is that if you buy a card every turn, your deck can't get smaller, only 1 Bishop per turn. So there is presumably some tradeoff between a smaller deck (more reliably draws Bishop) and a deck with more Gold (more VP from Bishop.) The correct answer is probably to buy one of Bishop/Gold/Province though.
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« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2013, 03:31:40 pm »
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Not in the internet, but in real-life (yes there exists a Dominion in real-life ;-)):

There was Chapel and Bishop on the board, so I was going for a Golden Deck. My opponent bought a Tribute and didn't understand, why I only revealed one card. Than he understood, what I was doing...
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« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2013, 02:57:26 pm »
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Not in the internet, but in real-life (yes there exists a Dominion in real-life ;-)):

There was Chapel and Bishop on the board, so I was going for a Golden Deck. My opponent bought a Tribute and didn't understand, why I only revealed one card. Than he understood, what I was doing...

Heh, I've had that happen on iso. "Why isn't my tribute working?" "I have only 5 cards in my deck" "... oh."
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« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2013, 03:01:31 pm »
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speaking of five card decks, King's Court on a Knight is a lot more fun than with Saboteur.  Well, not on the receiving end of course.
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