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[Axxle]

Can I ask a theory/setup question?

I've never played a game with multiple bad guy factions before.  Looking at the card list, there's some listed "werewolf" which sounds cool, but is otherwise just a second mafia?  Also, if there are multiple factions, are they smaller than usual?

looooool here it is.

[Axxle]

And he's an sjlk. Bah!!!!

[Axxle]

Back to print veiw

[Grujah]

pretty sure:

Vote: Axxle

though don't know why ash made the long-ass explanation for Lekkit.

[Grujah]

I mean, the only possible other solution is that Lekkit knew that ash and not Axxle are SK and than decided to suicide just so that SK could win and town lose.

That or both are scum and we lose anyway, but this is just bollocks.

Occam Razor and shit.

[Axxle]

Have you even gone back and look at the evidence? We've lost so many games because town hasn't done that in the end game.

[Dsell]

Vote Count

Axxle (2): Ashersky, Grujah (L-1)
Ashersky (1): Axxle

Not Voting: Shraeye

[Grujah]

Have you even gone back and look at the evidence? We've lost so many games because town hasn't done that in the end game.

Have you?

If you are town, that remark should be applied to you too.

Unless you think that "two team" remark by ash is completely damning?

I said, there is an SK, and you think that Lekkit did suicide on basis:
a) he wanted town to lose, even if he looses too
b) he KNEW that ash is SK and not you

[Axxle]

Have you even gone back and look at the evidence? We've lost so many games because town hasn't done that in the end game.

Have you?

If you are town, that remark should be applied to you too.

Unless you think that "two team" remark by ash is completely damning?

I said, there is an SK, and you think that Lekkit did suicide on basis:
a) he wanted town to lose, even if he looses too
b) he KNEW that ash is SK and not you

I don't really need to, it's process of elimination for me, since you masons aren't scum or we'd have already lost.  I *am* trying to go through so I can persuade you but that's not too much fun.

[Axxle]

And yeah, that remark I pulled up earlier doesn't work since ash has to be an sk.  I forgot that last night.

[ashersky]

Hey, awake and the game didn't end.  Will be available fully in about an hour, but:

And yeah, that remark I pulled up earlier doesn't work since ash has to be an sk.  I forgot that last night.

If so, why did your first post of the day still insinuate there was a WW?  Your whole I doctored the WW kill thing?

Your are grasping for straws at this point, just making things up and changing your story around because you are fully caught.

[Grujah]

Hey, awake and the game didn't end.  Will be available fully in about an hour, but:

And yeah, that remark I pulled up earlier doesn't work since ash has to be an sk.  I forgot that last night.

If so, why did your first post of the day still insinuate there was a WW?  Your whole I doctored the WW kill thing?

Your are grasping for straws at this point, just making things up and changing your story around because you are fully caught.

Yeah, actually, that
"I doctored the WW kill" is like saying you are SK.

If you [Axxle] really expected 2 kills tonight (which you did, since you said that one is missing) that would mean that there are both WW and SK alive, according to you. I know that shra and I are town, which means you are 100% scum.

[Grujah]

You even argued that there is a WW left in later posts. You actually believing in WW this day - I cannot see any situation in which it makes you not scum.

I mean, with that, it is only whether ash is scum AS WELL, but then we already lost anyway (but to WW and not SK, which Lekkit claimed was his plan). If you, it sucks. But I think it is not so.

[Grujah]

Though, my god, some ash's posts read so scummy (first post of today esp).

But reason says that you fucked up, Axxle.

[Axxle]

I was expecting a WW kill after Lekkit's outburst last night, so I thought I doctored it.  I wasn't thinking clearly, as there weren't enough people left to perform all the kills. 

[Axxle]

The day opened when I was drinking, I kept reverting to being certain ash was WW.

[Grujah]

I am the LAST person you should try to sell the "I was drunk" argument.

[Axxle]

I'm guessing you did that as scum before?

[Grujah]

I'm guessing you did that as scum before?

Yup. Was drunk, made an insane fakeclaim (of doctor) without reading the thread (in which, Cuzz claimed doctors as well) and by chance, it turned out that my claim was actually possible (Only possible setup where there are 2 doctors would have to have a JK as well, and it turned out that there was one, unknown to me). Frisk argued, that even drunk, I wouldn't fakeclaim without re-reading, or do such an insane claim. He was wrong. Then steamrolled the town

[ashersky]

Okay, ZMX fire put out, back here.  Check out this D1 gem from Axxle.  Fairly certain it's the first mention of an SK during the game at all, at post #233.  And it's in response to...nothing about SKs?

Don't have full access but. I'm the wizard (major arcana) I'm claimin because out of Galz/robz/Eevee one of them has a qt. thus I am now claiming two are town and one is not. I don't have full access unfortunately so I can't fill claim but I'm major arcana there might be a doctor so mafia wifom etc.

Based on responses I think Galz is most likely scum but I need town help

I am the wizard

Ah, sure.  SK is a possibility but much more unlikely then.

[ashersky]

Finished re-reading D1.  I was specifically looking at why Axxle killed Voltgloss.  Here Voltgloss really starts up the SK talk.

I am here now, phoneposting.  That was about 250 posts while I was asleep.  Went to bed before Eevee's claim and missed all the ensuing hijinks.

I am mulling further on my commute, but one thing that stands out to me as weird is Eevee's reluctance to claim.  If he were the "ordinary" bulletproof townie, I don't see why he wouldn't claim that at this juncture.  We know he's bulletproof - he would just be confirming what we already know.

So this has me concerned that Eevee is either the WW-immune SK, or a Major Arcana with bulletproof.  If Major, then his alignment is a big question mark.

Here, Voltgloss asks for SK theory/confirmation:

Hmm.

Well first off, that is a very detailed full claim.  Doesn't feel fake.  Insom could be lying about his alignment, but I expect his role works as he says it does.

One thing to confirm:  Insom, if a player is a Serial Killer, then I assume you wouldn't see them as having a QT, right?  (As Death in Major Arcana I, I was classified as a Serial Killer and I did not have a QT.)

I am not following why Robz's desire to claim early gives him town points.  As scum Dayvig, he could have been looking for the best target Day 1 just in case he wound up being the Day 1 lynch. 

PPE:  Insom, so I am clear:  are you suggesting Galz's comment that "if Robz hits scum he gets to live" is basically a scumslip that Robz could have hit scum if he had targeted right (i.e., picked Galz)?

PPE #2:  Galz, what the hell with the self-vote, man.  If you are town, I am just not comprehending how that is pro-town.

And here Volt reminds folks he was SK in the previous game.

@Volt RE SK: If for some reason the serial killer has a qt I would see it, if they do not I would not.

OK.  So for what it's worth, let me reiterate:  I was SK in the first Major Arcana game, and I did not have a QT.  I would expect, more likely than not, that cayvie would follow the same approach in this game.

He was clearly a threat to Axxle.  The funny thing is, Axxle literally never posts for the latter half of D1.  He comes in after hammer with a one-liner about one-liners.  He read enough to know Voltgloss could hurt his chances as an SK, though.

[Axxle]

That's not why I killed Voltgloss...

... oh wait.

[ashersky]

That's not why I killed Voltgloss...

... oh wait.

Are you still claiming to be the doctor?

[Axxle]

Yes.

[Grujah]

@ash -

that is why ANY SK might want to kill Volt, not why specifically Axxle SK might want to kill Volt. That argument sucks.