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[Lekkit]

Yeah, FoS Robz for making a Fullclaim and a partial claim by a MA into a massclaim. Even with a fullclaim from Eevee, and I'm pretty sure he'll claim mason we haven't really gotten much. Or am I missing something?

[Jimmmmm]

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Having said that, I'm not actually convinced that it is. If the result of Insom's investigation is a Mason, then calling them out will end up forcing them to claim. Which might be what he wants, I'm not sure, but is it worth getting a Major PR killed N1? I don't know.

I suppose for now FoS: Eevee until he claims Mason/non-Mason and on all three if he claims non-Mason.

[yuma]

Yeah, FoS Robz for making a Fullclaim and a partial claim by a MA into a massclaim. Even with a fullclaim from Eevee, and I'm pretty sure he'll claim mason we haven't really gotten much. Or am I missing something?

this is an interesting point... well Lekkit doesn't really make it, but it makes me ask the question:

Can a mason be a mason by himself? If so what is the point? He just has a quicktopic wherein he can just talk to himself. If there is one Mason, does there have to be another?

In most games I think the answer is yes, in this one... I don't know.

[Jimmmmm]

Hmm well I think I've heard of three different approaches to this.

One Mason => at least one other Mason.
One Mason => IC.
One Mason => lonely Mason.

I think the third is probably true, that there can be a Mason in a thread by himself. I guess the advantage to this is that if someone claims to be a lonely Mason, and someone else is a Mason, they know the first person is lying. Unless of course, 3 Masons => 2 friends and a loner, which I don't think is true but someone can correct me if you think I'm wrong.

[Galzria]

Yeah, FoS Robz for making a Fullclaim and a partial claim by a MA into a massclaim. Even with a fullclaim from Eevee, and I'm pretty sure he'll claim mason we haven't really gotten much. Or am I missing something?

this is an interesting point... well Lekkit doesn't really make it, but it makes me ask the question:

Can a mason be a mason by himself? If so what is the point? He just has a quicktopic wherein he can just talk to himself. If there is one Mason, does there have to be another?

In most games I think the answer is yes, in this one... I don't know.

I was a lover in Arcana I. The other player did NOT till lover as well, so had no knowledge of me. It meant that I knew he was town, and if he died, I did too. In turn, he did NOT know that I was town, and did not die if I did. However, it made things more than difficult when he pressed me as being scummy throughout the entire game, and I had to defend him and misdirect to the best of my ability.

My point is, pair units don't always come in pairs in this game.

[Voltgloss]

I have thoughts, but they need to wait until after Eevee claims whether or not he has a QT.

In particular, while I think yuma's question is a reasonable one, and I understand jimmmmm addressing it, I think we should not address it further until after Eevee claims QT-or-no-QT.  I'll explain why at that time.

[yuma]

Yeah, FoS Robz for making a Fullclaim and a partial claim by a MA into a massclaim. Even with a fullclaim from Eevee, and I'm pretty sure he'll claim mason we haven't really gotten much. Or am I missing something?

this is an interesting point... well Lekkit doesn't really make it, but it makes me ask the question:

Can a mason be a mason by himself? If so what is the point? He just has a quicktopic wherein he can just talk to himself. If there is one Mason, does there have to be another?

In most games I think the answer is yes, in this one... I don't know.

I was a lover in Arcana I. The other player did NOT till lover as well, so had no knowledge of me. It meant that I knew he was town, and if he died, I did too. In turn, he did NOT know that I was town, and did not die if I did. However, it made things more than difficult when he pressed me as being scummy throughout the entire game, and I had to defend him and misdirect to the best of my ability.

My point is, pair units don't always come in pairs in this game.

deleted (pre-posting deleted obviously) post per Voltgloss suggesting we not talk until eevee gets here... But I did PM it to myself so I would remember to post if it is still necessary

[Lekkit]

Ins, why do you drop bombs and then dissappear?

[shraeye]

I have thoughts, but they need to wait until after Eevee claims whether or not he has a QT.

In particular, while I think yuma's question is a reasonable one, and I understand jimmmmm addressing it, I think we should not address it further until after Eevee claims QT-or-no-QT.  I'll explain why at that time.

I think I'm thinking the same thing as you, or at least something which I want to hold back until Eevee says something.

[Grujah]

I suppose for now FoS: Eevee until he claims Mason/non-Mason and on all three if he claims non-Mason.

Now, I don't know why I am railing you this much but..

Why the need to state the absolutely obvious?

[yuma]

I suppose for now FoS: Eevee until he claims Mason/non-Mason and on all three if he claims non-Mason.

Now, I don't know why I am railing you this much but..

Why the need to state the absolutely obvious?

again I had the exact same thought as Grujah... and again didn't necessarily feel it was important... at least not yet... again...

[Lekkit]

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

[yuma]

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

Even if everything he said is true, Insom is certainly not confirmed town... I think more likely town than the opposing scum, but still

[Galzria]

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

Even if everything he said is true, Insom is certainly not confirmed town... I think more likely town than the opposing scum, but still

[Robz888]

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

Even if everything he said is true, Insom is certainly not confirmed town... I think more likely town than the opposing scum, but still

Vote: Yuma

Yeah you got him.

[Robz888]

Yeah, FoS Robz for making a Fullclaim and a partial claim by a MA into a massclaim. Even with a fullclaim from Eevee, and I'm pretty sure he'll claim mason we haven't really gotten much. Or am I missing something?

FoS your face. This is NOT my doing.

[Galzria]

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

Even if everything he said is true, Insom is certainly not confirmed town... I think more likely town than the opposing scum, but still

Vote: Yuma

Yeah you got him.

I had him earlier. Nobody wanted to listen to me then though.

[Robz888]

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

Even if everything he said is true, Insom is certainly not confirmed town... I think more likely town than the opposing scum, but still

Vote: Yuma

Yeah you got him.

I had him earlier. Nobody wanted to listen to me then though.

Well that was like omgus, not the most convincing thing ever. This is a "I have a zero percent chance of flipping town" moment

[Voltgloss]

 
Vote: yuma

PPE:  FoS Robz for stealing my thunder while I was off makin' a meme

[Grujah]

WTH?

This is not anywhere near "0% of flipping town"

I am the only one who read that as -  "the other scum team than one in which eevee/galz/robz are"?

[Grujah]

vote: Robz888

[Galzria]

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

Even if everything he said is true, Insom is certainly not confirmed town... I think more likely town than the opposing scum, but still

Vote: Yuma

Yeah you got him.

I had him earlier. Nobody wanted to listen to me then though.

Well that was like omgus, not the most convincing thing ever. This is a "I have a zero percent chance of flipping town" moment

That most certainly was NOT "OMGUS". It was a terrible response to a first-post-RVS-joke - the type more often made by scum than town, because it sounds good, and sounds like their town Meta. Had Yuma done the same thing later in the game, yeah, sure, I'd buy it as Town!Yuma. But not out of the gates like that over my first post. It's like you in the last Blitz game Robz. One of my very early posts commented on how easy it would be for you to follow in your expected town!meta of "Masons should claim" even as scum, and that we should be wary of you doing just that as scum. There's a time and a place to stand by your beliefs. Voting someone over RVS jokery, and saying "This is a serious vote, and I won't unvote unless there's a very good reason to do so" was a scum!Yuma move designed to mimic his town!meta.

I'll admit that it's not as strong as this, however.

[Galzria]

WTH?

This is not anywhere near "0% of flipping town"

I am the only one who read that as -  "the other scum team than one in which eevee/galz/robz are"?

I think I've got something on the matter as well. I'll tell you when Eevee's replied properly.

Well this is interesting. I don't see any reason not to trust Insom, mainly because he's probably the number one nightkill target for all scum in the game now, and if he's scum, then he's still going to be a target of the other scum team (assuming there is more than one - I don't think he would have a reason to assume otherwise). So the only reason I can see him doing this is because he thinks the information he has is important enough that it's worth getting him NKed.

Am I the only one who sees the possibility that Ins could be a redirector, or scum trying to get town cred? Even if he would be a MA (which he may very well not be), that wouldn't be proved until he would flip. Which he won't if he is doctored, outwifom the other scums or if he's bulletproof.  At which time his death could've helped a scum faction a bunch. I'm not saying I think he's scum, all I'm saying is that I'm definately not ruling out the possibility of him not being really honest. Last game both MA were scum. Just sayin'.

Even if everything he said is true, Insom is certainly not confirmed town... I think [Insomniac is] more likely town than the opposing scum, but still

Mind pointing me to where your read reference that would draw your conclusion to be that he was talking about "the other scum team than one in which eevee/galz/robz are"?

[Lekkit]

Vote: yuma

"Slippery little suckers..."

[Grujah]

I dunno why I didn't wait for yuma to respond first but, if we trust Ins on his powers, one of Galz/Eeve/Robz is probably scum.
Now, if when Ins investigated 3 persons, he definitely wouldn't investigate his own scum team. So, if he did struck scum, it was from opposing team.