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[Jimmmmm]

Ah well there you go. I've been reading more about the wagon than the wagon itself (I was reading Dsell's posts), I guess it's been made a bigger deal than it actually was, sorry for perpetuating that. Do we include suspicions as part of the wagon? I don't know.

Dsell, big bold and lots of 'm's still only count as one vote, right?

[Robz888]

I'm here. Let me catch up...

[Galzria]

Where the heck is Ashersky?

[Dsell]

Galz, what are your thoughts on the latest from Jimmmmmmm?

[Jimmmmm]

Also, by "early", I didn't mean in the context of the game so far, I meant in the context of the game as a whole, it's still early. So no, I wasn't talking about the wagon with three people, I was talking about the one that got to L - 2 (and you thought nearly got to L - 1), but I was unaware there were two separate wagons.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm actually a fair bit more suspicious of Dsell now. His blowup at me reads to me like he's thinking "Yes! Here's something that I can work with, let's make that sounds really scummy."

[Dsell]

Also, by "early", I didn't mean in the context of the game so far, I meant in the context of the game as a whole, it's still early. So no, I wasn't talking about the wagon with three people, I was talking about the one that got to L - 2 (and you thought nearly got to L - 1), but I was unaware there were two separate wagons.

Oh this is so phony.

So then you are referencing the most recent L-2 wagon on me, which consists of Destierro, Ashersky, and Robz.

Vote Count 1.6


Dsell (3) - Destierro, Ashersky, Robz888
Eevee (1) - Insomniac
Jimmm (1) - Dsell
Insomniac (1) - Galzria

Not voting: Jimmm, Eevee

With 8 alive, it takes 5 for a majority lynch to occur.  However, this is blitz mafia, and a plurality at the deadline WILL result in a lynch.  If a tie exists at the deadline, the Hidden Democracy mechanism will be implemented.

Deadline is today, Thursday, Dec. 19, at 8:00 PM forum time. (about 3 hours and 23 minutes from the timestamp on this post)

[Eevee]

I think Jimmm and Dsell being from the same team is almost impossible. Especially if one of them is scum.

[ashersky]

I'm here, but very busy.  Following though.

Jimmmmm also does look bad at this point--could be bussing each other hard at this point.

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, I am going back to look at the wagons. Chill out, bro. You're just jumping on the fact that I'm a little uninformed about the wagons themselves.

Yes, you're right. A Mason/Mason/X wagon is not particularly suspect. The way you were saying it, you were really close to being lynched.

Also, I forgot the 3 was L - 2. 

[Dsell]

Also, by "early", I didn't mean in the context of the game so far, I meant in the context of the game as a whole, it's still early. So no, I wasn't talking about the wagon with three people, I was talking about the one that got to L - 2 (and you thought nearly got to L - 1), but I was unaware there were two separate wagons.

The wagon that I thought almost went to L-1 was the first wagon I posted: Eevee, Destierro, Ashersky. I was suspicious of Ashersky because I thought he was willing to take me to L-1. I was wrong about that because Insom had never voted for me. Destierro and Ashersky have always been on the wagon. You WERE talking about that wagon, though. So, ya know, you're lying.

[Galzria]

I think Jimmm and Dsell being from the same team is almost impossible. Especially if one of them is scum.

You just figured that out?

Fascinating. Tell me if I'm crazy (from my perspective, of course):

Dsell (3): Ashersky, Destierro, Robz

Expressed willingness to vote Dsell: Eevee, Insomniac, Me.

No input yet: Jimmmmm

Now, I know that I'm town. So:

If Dsell is town, and Robz/Eevee/Insomniac are scum, then the entire scum team has expressed interest in lynching a single townie. This seems highly unusual to me. Scum generally spread their voices around a bit more. If Dsell were to flip town, those 3 would look much worse.

So I can't believe that scum!trio is accurate. This means that if Dsell is town, then one of those 3 is likely also town. That means Jimmmmm must be scum.

Is it fair to say that Town!Dsell = Scum!Jimmmmm (again, from my perspective), or am I missing something? Am I wrong to think that Robz/Eevee/Insomniac is unlikely based on their stated desire to lynch Dsell?

Of course, Dsell being scum is entirely different. Oddly, I find Jimmmmm more likely to be scum here as well, but wouldn't bet on it. It's just that if Dsell is scum, I don't see BOTH of his partners expressing interest in his lynch now.

But Scum/Scum is still very viable.

[Dsell]

I think Jimmm and Dsell being from the same team is almost impossible. Especially if one of them is scum.

Eevee is not sure whether to take his scumbuddy's side and doesn't know what to say, so he posts this to look like he's contributing.

[Robz888]

The only thing that REALLY caught my eye in the re-read was this:

I don't think your thought process is crazy. It's just that I obviously don't know (do suspect though!) that you are town, but I KNOW myself to be town. And it's a little hard not to be annoyed at Dsell threatening townies from voting for him.

I know I'm being annoying, but I'm doing what's best for my team.

In M-XI, everybody treated the "team" terminology as a scumtell.

[Robz888]

So other than that, Dsell does look townier to me than before, but not necessarily townier than anyone else (knowing now that Ash is Mason).

I do think Jimm and Dsell are from other factions. If we stick with the Dsell lynch, which is still my best guess, I would strongly consider Jimm tomorrow if Dsell is town. If Dsell is scum, I will treat Jimm like IC practically. I don't think we're being gamed if we operate like that.

But then the question becomes, who is who's potential scummates? And I really don't know. But if Jimm and Dsell are not on the same faction, some read is wrong somewhere concerning Ins or Galz or Eevee.

[Dsell]

Chill out, bro.

Yes, I am getting excited and worked up here. Sorry, nothing personal of course.

Doesn't change the fact that you're scum, but I'll try to cool off.

[Robz888]

So if Jim and Dsell are one town/one scum... then 2 of Galz/Eevee/Ins (each of them could switch me in instead) are scum? I'm not missing someone, am I? Wow.

[Galzria]

So if Jim and Dsell are one town/one scum... then 2 of Galz/Eevee/Ins (each of them could switch me in instead) are scum? I'm not missing someone, am I? Wow.

They could both be scum. Not town though, since I don't believe Robz/Eevee/Insomniac is possible.

[Dsell]

Guys, Jimmmmm just made what's practically a scumslip.

He FOS'd a wagon that contained 2 ICs and the person he'd JUST said was townier than me.

He later said that wasn't the wagon he was referencing, but THAT contradicted his statement about the wagon almost getting to L-1.

[Robz888]

So if Jim and Dsell are one town/one scum... then 2 of Galz/Eevee/Ins (each of them could switch me in instead) are scum? I'm not missing someone, am I? Wow.

They could both be scum. Not town though, since I don't believe Robz/Eevee/Insomniac is possible.

But why does Dsell make Jimm his target if they are both scum? That doesn't make sense.

[Galzria]

I actually agree with Dsell about Jimmm. It's just I think he might be bussing. I see three scum teams as being likely:

Jimmm/Dsell/Insom

Jimmm/Dsell/Robz

Jimmm/Robz/Insom

I don't at all think Eevee is scum. I could be wrong, but he would be my "bet the game" candidate (which IC's ATE SUPPOSED TO ASK ABOUT WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?? ?? ?? ??)

[Galzria]

Ate = are, as usual.

[Eevee]

I think Jimmm and Dsell being from the same team is almost impossible. Especially if one of them is scum.

Eevee is not sure whether to take his scumbuddy's side and doesn't know what to say, so he posts this to look like he's contributing.

Eevee is leaning towards Jimmm because that just looks like he is fabricatlng arguments.

[Dsell]

I actually agree with Dsell about Jimmm. It's just I think he might be bussing. I see three scum teams as being likely:

Jimmm/Dsell/Insom

Jimmm/Dsell/Robz

Jimmm/Robz/Insom

I don't at all think Eevee is scum. I could be wrong, but he would be my "bet the game" candidate (which IC's ATE SUPPOSED TO ASK ABOUT WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?? ?? ?? ??)

Wow. I am floored that you would bet the game on Eevee now right now. I would definitely not.

[Galzria]

So if Jim and Dsell are one town/one scum... then 2 of Galz/Eevee/Ins (each of them could switch me in instead) are scum? I'm not missing someone, am I? Wow.

They could both be scum. Not town though, since I don't believe Robz/Eevee/Insomniac is possible.

But why does Dsell make Jimm his target if they are both scum? That doesn't make sense.

Scum don't bus what?

No, but really, Dsell said he wanted Eevee much more forcefully until I came out with my reasoning for Jimmmm to likely be scum. At that point, he switched to pushing Jimmmm hard. If the option was "push his scummate and try to buy town cred" vs "just get lynched", which do you think he would take? It's not at all unreasonable to me that they might both be scum. It's also possible only 1 is. I feel pretty strongly that Insomniac is scum, based on my case earlier. So.... It's you or Dsell in my mind for most likely last scum.