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[Eevee]

Yeah, especially because Dest gives us town-lists and is forced to either lie or reveal his partner in them. And seriously I don't see the advantage in not claiming anyways.

[Galzria]

I now consider Ashersky to be scummy, btw. Originally I thought he was a Mason trying to be pushy and see who would take the easy bait of voting him over "daring to call the scum team D1".

With Destierro's reveal, the odds of Ashersky being a Mason are drastically reduced. While it's still possible, I am forced to switch my view of him.

Obviously this is a generic. Basically saying: If he IS a Mason, as I thought, then I understood from the start and read correctly. If he's NOT a Mason, he's likely scum.

I don't find room for a VT Ashersky in this game.

[Insomniac]

Vote: Eevee

The complete lack of buddying, the half hearted voting for Desti. Quickly trying to make it that Dsell or I are scum about Desti's reveal. Coupled with the fact that TOO many people want to lynch Dsell, and I think Eevee is a case I like today.

[Galzria]

Vote: Eevee

The complete lack of buddying, the half hearted voting for Desti. Quickly trying to make it that Dsell or I are scum about Desti's reveal. Coupled with the fact that TOO many people want to lynch Dsell, and I think Eevee is a case I like today.

I do find his recent reactions less genuine, fwiw, but he's not bottom of the heap for me yet.

[Robz888]

I now consider Ashersky to be scummy, btw. Originally I thought he was a Mason trying to be pushy and see who would take the easy bait of voting him over "daring to call the scum team D1".

With Destierro's reveal, the odds of Ashersky being a Mason are drastically reduced. While it's still possible, I am forced to switch my view of him.

Obviously this is a generic. Basically saying: If he IS a Mason, as I thought, then I understood from the start and read correctly. If he's NOT a Mason, he's likely scum.

I don't find room for a VT Ashersky in this game.

If Des really wants to keep the last Mason a secret (although it's barely a secret), he could confirm that the other Mason is NOT Ash. If he does that, I would be most comfortable voting for Ash.

[Destierro]

Town ----Desti----galz----ash-----------robs-----insom--------------eevee---Dsell----Scummy

I dont have a read on Jimm, cause it seems like he's added next to nothing. I think that would put him closer to the scum side though.

Desti, in the future, don't actually give us your reads. Keep to yourself and your partner, so you can catch us in traps. Say "X" is scummy, and see who pounces.

Thanks for the tip, didn't really realize this before. It's out there anyways, so oh well.

[Galzria]

Robz, how do you feel about the Insomniac-Dsell interactions? Especially relating to Dsell's "I'm mad at Insomniac, how dare he not read me right!"? Does it feel forced, faked or contrived to you? Or does it feel real?

[Dsell]

Unvote

Well, I thought he was either scum or a mason. Ugh, I feel like all mason talk has been the pink elephant in the room all day. Oh well.

I have to address this post because it's wrong:

Well it was not much of a surprise to wake up today and see that two of my top scum reads had voted for me. Apparently they didn't like what I was saying.

Dsell voted for me, only saying that he was "ok" with voting me, but really doesn't say why. Also it seems like there is a lot of agreeing going on between Dsell and Eevee. Considering that they have the same scum reads that contradict mine, ashes, galvs and insom(?)'s that is mighty suspicious. They are either mason pair (extremely unlikely based on their voting so far) or scum pair. I wont go so far as to say that everyone on me is scum, but it is more than likely that at least 2 are, if galv is assumed to be town.

Eevee claiming that he is town proves nothing obviously, as he would respond that way no matter his role. He's still my second top scum read atm.

These are never the only choices. It's too narrow-minded to look at 2 people with similar reads and say that they MUST be working together because of it. Scum often want to have different opinions from each other, and having the same ideas and reads as someone is just another form of buddying.

That said, despite having nearly the same reads as Eevee recently, I have only had a neutral read on him at best. With Dest being IC, it's very possible that Eevee is scum.

My thoughts on Ashersky are the same as Galz' and Robz'.

[Eevee]

Yeah, I find scum often makes a strategical choice of picking a townie who is wrong and agreeing with his reads.

[Galzria]

Yeah, I find scum often makes a strategical choice of picking a townie who is wrong and agreeing with his reads.

Robz knows it's my favorite scumtell. I point to myself/Joth in M-II, or Robz/Volt in M-II, or Theorel/eHunt in M-IV, or Theorel/Frisk in M-VIII, etc. When two people align on almost everything, usually one is scum, and the other town.

That said, we've seen a lot of town/town buddying lately, so I haven't stuck by the read as hard as I used to. I cannot recall really seeing scum/scum though. Not that it couldn't happen, mind you.

[Insomniac]

I cannot recall really seeing scum/scum though. Not that it couldn't happen, mind you.

Didn't you and Robz scum buddy in a blitz game where you were trying to get SFS under the bus.

[Robz888]

Robz, how do you feel about the Insomniac-Dsell interactions? Especially relating to Dsell's "I'm mad at Insomniac, how dare he not read me right!"? Does it feel forced, faked or contrived to you? Or does it feel real?

I thought Dsell's scorn was pretty fake, in that I didn't actually think he was mad. But I've never seen Dsell get mad before. Maybe he's just a polite angry person.

What brings me to Dsell is really townreads on everyone else. Even Insomniac looks a lot better to me all of a sudden, for almost paradoxical reasons. I do think Eevee is town, but if Eevee were town and Insomniac scum, would Insomniac go after Eevee now? He has to know that's risky, because I have a big townread on Eevee and am inclined to look at Eevee accusations with suspicion. Unless they are both scum (and then why do that?) it looks like a bad move. Which makes me think it's sincere.

[Galzria]

I cannot recall really seeing scum/scum though. Not that it couldn't happen, mind you.

Didn't you and Robz scum buddy in a blitz game where you were trying to get SFS under the bus.

No, I was hard on Robz that whole game. Robz was on SFS. SFS choose two townies. None of us called town reads on each other, just scum.

[Dsell]

Robz, why the town read on Eevee? Where does it stem from?

Also, I very rarely get mad. Although I did fake mad in M-IV at pops.

[Eevee]

Galzria and Robz, do you feel I always read you as towny? Trying to recognize my possible biases.

[Robz888]

Galzria and Robz, do you feel I always read you as towny? Trying to recognize my possible biases.

The Blitz game where me Galz and SFS were mafia, you did read me as scum, but I think it was only after I pushed a case on you. What as your read on me in VIII? I don't remember. I think you may have a me-town bias, yes.

[Robz888]

Robz, why the town read on Eevee? Where does it stem from?

Also, I very rarely get mad. Although I did fake mad in M-IV at pops.

It's just the way he behaves. He had some short sentence earlier, the one where I responded "so town" that is just vintage Eevee.

[Robz888]

Unfortunately I have to disappear now for about 5 hours. Will be back in advance of deadline. I'd like to vote for ash but I have no idea whether he is the other Mason. If he is, I guess I keep my vote for Dsell. I suppose I could vote for Jimm, especialyl if he doesn't ever appear.

[Galzria]

Galzria and Robz, do you feel I always read you as towny? Trying to recognize my possible biases.

You probably do for me, but it's also likely a bias built on my record. The last game I was mafia in was me/Robz/SFS. Prior to that was ZM 1, then BMMMM, and lastly M-II, which you weren't around for. So your bias is based on me almost always BEING town.

[Insomniac]

Bump, we need some more activity in here before I have to go as it draws closer and closer (~4 hours)

What do people think of my Eevee case I think it's better than Dsell on the basis that EVERYONE seems to find him scummy and want to lynch him

[Eevee]

Idk, there was a time when Dsell was a town read for everyone too.

[Galzria]

Bump, we need some more activity in here before I have to go as it draws closer and closer (~4 hours)

What do people think of my Eevee case I think it's better than Dsell on the basis that EVERYONE seems to find him scummy and want to lynch him

I think you very well could be partners with Dsell, tbh. I don't see Eevee being the lynch of the day. Most likely I'll support you/Dsell/Jimmmmm/(Ashersky unless he's a Mason)/maaaaybe Robz.

[Dsell]

Bump, we need some more activity in here before I have to go as it draws closer and closer (~4 hours)

What do people think of my Eevee case I think it's better than Dsell on the basis that EVERYONE seems to find him scummy and want to lynch him

Destierro being IC changes some things in my mind, I now definitely find you townier and Eevee scummier.

I feel like I need to know who the other Mason is at this point, actually, because 1) it will help me know what to think of Ashersky, and 2) it will help me PoE some people.

Right now I think Eevee, Jimmmmmmm scummiest. Agree with others that Asher is either mason or scum.

[Eevee]

Bump, we need some more activity in here before I have to go as it draws closer and closer (~4 hours)

What do people think of my Eevee case I think it's better than Dsell on the basis that EVERYONE seems to find him scummy and want to lynch him

I think you very well could be partners with Dsell, tbh. I don't see Eevee being the lynch of the day. Most likely I'll support you/Dsell/Jimmmmm/(Ashersky unless he's a Mason)/maaaaybe Robz.

Interestingly 100% agreed..

[Dsell]

Bump, we need some more activity in here before I have to go as it draws closer and closer (~4 hours)

What do people think of my Eevee case I think it's better than Dsell on the basis that EVERYONE seems to find him scummy and want to lynch him

I think you very well could be partners with Dsell, tbh. I don't see Eevee being the lynch of the day. Most likely I'll support you/Dsell/Jimmmmm/(Ashersky unless he's a Mason)/maaaaybe Robz.

Interestingly 100% agreed..

Destierro is driving us apart so much...