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[Eevee]

Yay ashersky yay!!

Well, you seem to then think Robz's and Galzria's fight was staged. I think determining that is REALLY important.

[ashersky]

Yay ashersky yay!!

Well, you seem to then think Robz's and Galzria's fight was staged. I think determining that is REALLY important.

In normal life, no way that fight is staged, right?  But this is Robz888 and Galzria we're talking about.  It's like Pacino and DeNiro are in the same room.  They could do it.

[Eevee]

So, before that it looked like it was going to be a Jimmm lynch for sure. Would Galz and Robz want to derail that with a fight if he was town? Unlikely, why would they? Would they want to derail that if Jimmm was scum? Again unlikely, because how could their fight make us go Ins or Eevee?

So, ashersky, what leads you to believe the fight is staged?

[Eevee]

I'm really quite confident with my plan of lynching Ins and Jimmm. I mean it's foolproof unless the fight was staged.

[ashersky]

So, before that it looked like it was going to be a Jimmm lynch for sure. Would Galz and Robz want to derail that with a fight if he was town? Unlikely, why would they? Would they want to derail that if Jimmm was scum? Again unlikely, because how could their fight make us go Ins or Eevee?

So, ashersky, what leads you to believe the fight is staged?

Reading it, just screamed scum show.

I still stand by my read that Jimmmmm is likely town.  I say this knowing Jimmmmm is really good at faking it as scum, but I don't know, he was so sure he shouldn't lurk if he is scum next time...so I think he would have made sure to post more, and meaningfully, if he was.

So that leaves me looking at you/Galz/Robz.  I find it hard to believe all three of you are scum, so who sticks out from that group to me?  Robz.  Then Galz, then you.

PPE -- It's scummy to want to lynch Ins.

[Eevee]

No, actually listen to my arguments and forget gut reads.

- Jimmm has been lurking more in all the other threads. It has seemed to me like he has participated here to best of his abilities.

- Ins copypasted the same message to all his games. Obviously something bad happened and I hope everything/everyone is / will be fine. Sounds like it's nothing super devastating, which is at least good. However, that has nothing to do with his alignment here, literally zero. If he is the best lynch for our faction, i don't think there is anything wrong with lynching him. SfS won't have trouble finding a replacement if that is needed.

Gut reads are gut reads, I do like them too but you know people get them wrong, it's complicated. Especially so when dealig with a group of players this strong. So, unless we can find a motive for Robz's and Galzria's fight being staged, I think it's safe to assume they wouldn't do it for just no reason (right?), so as long as you trust me to be town, we can lynch Jimmm and Ins in whatever order and win. 100%. All we need to do is know I'm town (a leap for you, but one you seem to be willing to take) and that Robz and Galz wouldn't a) stage a fight for no reason and b) have no motive to stage a fight.

Am I missing something?

[ashersky]

I don't trust you to be town enough to just follow the plan.

I said if Galz is scum, you are town.  I'd say if Galz/Robz are both scum, you are also town.  But the worry is if Galz is town, you are scum.

[Eevee]

I don't like lynching either of Robz or Galzria, because to me that feels like a 50-50 proposition. I would lean towards Galzria too, yes. But I'm like 60-40 sure about it. :/ Maybe 65-35. Or 70-30, but still nowhere close to my confidence on "the plan". But I do appreciate you switching me away from the scum column and understand if you aren't ready to bet the game on me being town.

[Galzria]

Ashersky, if you lynch Robz, then me, town still loses. BUT at least he won't have gotten away with the crap arguments he was spewing forth earlier.

Are we capable of staging that? You're damn right we are. But we didn't, not this time. This time Robz decided to try going straight for the kill on me, because I dared to choose wrong.

Well, I stand by my choice in the situation I was in, and I know that if Robz were town he would've made the same choice. To try and attack me over choosing a side that I knew had two IC's on it over a side that I KNEW had scum on it? Seriously dude? What was it you said last game?

Screw you. Go to hell.

[Eevee]

No need to get personal dudes and dudettes!

[Eevee]

Galzria, anything to say to me to convince you I'm wrong? Or do you think I'm right, but Robz is just the scum between the two of you?

[Galzria]

Galzria, anything to say to me to convince you I'm wrong? Or do you think I'm right, but Robz is just the scum between the two of you?

I think you're scum with him for not seeing how stupid his claims were. Looked like you two had everything planned out in your QT ready to go, so no, I guess I don't have a heck of a lot to say to you because there's no arguing with scum.

[Eevee]

Galzria, anything to say to me to convince you I'm wrong? Or do you think I'm right, but Robz is just the scum between the two of you?

I think you're scum with him for not seeing how stupid his claims were. Looked like you two had everything planned out in your QT ready to go, so no, I guess I don't have a heck of a lot to say to you because there's no arguing with scum.

Okay. And no need to theoretize* over it just in case I'm town? If you are town that's bad play in my opinion, I'm not always so smart and no downside to it really.

*i dont know if this is a word.

[ashersky]

Galzria, anything to say to me to convince you I'm wrong? Or do you think I'm right, but Robz is just the scum between the two of you?

I think you're scum with him for not seeing how stupid his claims were. Looked like you two had everything planned out in your QT ready to go, so no, I guess I don't have a heck of a lot to say to you because there's no arguing with scum.

Okay. And no need to theoretize* over it just in case I'm town? If you are town that's bad play in my opinion, I'm not always so smart and no downside to it really.

*i dont know if this is a word.

You mean "theorize."

[Eevee]

Luckily that wasn't the only grammatical problem in that post. As a side note I do feel playing this much mafia has improved my english quite a bit!

[ashersky]

Luckily that wasn't the only grammatical problem in that post. As a side note I do feel playing this much mafia has improved my english quite a bit!

Your English is fantastic, Eevee.  No worries there.

[Robz888]

So Eevee's plan is essentially to bet the game on Eevee being town. Hmm.

I think I would go along with that, as long as it's Jimm first.

[Robz888]

Galzria, anything to say to me to convince you I'm wrong? Or do you think I'm right, but Robz is just the scum between the two of you?

I think you're scum with him for not seeing how stupid his claims were. Looked like you two had everything planned out in your QT ready to go, so no, I guess I don't have a heck of a lot to say to you because there's no arguing with scum.

Ridiculous. Galz, you were voting for someone who wasn't really a lynch option at that point (and you were around, unlike Insomniac). Okay, maybe me saying something didn't cause you to switch (cuz of the 23 seconds left thing). You still switched to Dsell, casting the pivotal vote. Perhaps you noticed what I had noticed--that you voting for Ins at that point was pretty scummy--before I noticed it.

[Eevee]

So, the activity died? Or are you all just sleeping?

IC's, time to be leaders!

[ashersky]

I can vote Robz.

I won't be on much as its my weekend starting up.

[Eevee]

I only support jimm and Ins, for reasons already mentioned.

[Eevee]

Galzria and Robz are haaaard to read, I'd prefer not guessing between the two when I see a sure way to victory..

[ashersky]

Eevee, from your perspective, 3 scum in Galz, Robz, Ins, Jimmmmm right?  Who's towniest?

[Eevee]

Eevee, from your perspective, 3 scum in Galz, Robz, Ins, Jimmmmm right?  Who's towniest?

No one still has given me any reason to think the Galzria-Robz fight was staged, so I'm forced to conclude they arent from the same scum team. Again, they wouldn't fakefight just for the heck of it, and I haven't thought of a reasonable (or any, really) motive for it yet. So, one of the two has to be the townie. They are so hard to read I don't know which it is. And that's why I'd prefer to lynch Jimmm or ins and know we'd hit scum.
I don't care which first, at all.

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