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[Kirian]

I think we've had enough users whose first (and often only) post is a non-constructive criticism of Goko that "trolling" is no longer too strong a word.

What does it say to you, then, that so many of us have come here, knowing X reads this forum, registered, and posted ONLY to stand-up for keeping Iso up because we can't stand Goko?

I'm entirely uncertain what to think of it, given that the total who have done this is three or four.  I'm glad you've done more than just drop one or two posts and have continued to engage in the discussion, though.  But a few people coming to this forum just to post about Goko doesn't convince me there's a mass movement out there.  I guess it does tell me that newcomers to the forum don't read the FAQ, so there's that.

Here are some constructive criticism of Goko:
- It's slow.
- Icon can't be chosen properly because the leaderboard covers it up (in Chrome).
- I can't type in chat.
- The design is fundamentally broken. It is taking a game that uses physical cards for IRL games for practical and numismatic purposes, and then, while making it an online game, tried to create a direct table-top version on a computer, not realizing that the game is more than just cards with words and artwork.

(1) Yep, this is known.
(2+3) Sounds buggy; you should report it to them, or ask someone here to do it, as I know their support forums can be difficult to get into.
(4) I disagree.  Their version is less elegant but prettier than Doug's, certainly.  But when you translate a tabletop game to a computer and intend to sell it, you need something that looks, visually, much like the table top game.  Others have already said this more clearly than I.

Understand:  I'm one of Goko's loudest, fiercest critics around these parts.  Like, since before we'd even heard the name "FunSockets."  Just ask Donald!  I want them to succeed, though because, hey, I'd love to play with the new cards online.  And they're getting better, though it's a very slow process--slower than it really ought to be for a company that's doing little other than program a few online games--and they seem to have their priorities way out of whack.

[Davio]

I remember a chips version of Dominion with those Puzzle Strike type chips.

It looked pretty cool and was pretty portable. How would you shuffle?
Perhaps a cloth bag, dunnow.

[DStu]

Understand:  I'm one of Goko's loudest, fiercest critics around these parts.  Like, since before we'd even heard the name "FunSockets."  Just ask Donald!

I'm indeed wondering the whole thread if Kirian was hacked or brainwashed or whatever...

[Beyond Awesome]

I will say this, I am about an equal fan right now of both iso and Goko. I like iso slightly more for one reason and that is that Goko is slow. If Goko gets faster, then I might like them more. But, ironically, I play about 70% on Goko and 30% on iso. Also, there are some minor bug things with Goko, but biggest for me is speed.

[hsiale]

as I know their support forums can be difficult to get into

Why difficult? You get there more or less the same way as on Goko or Iso (for me exactly the same, I use Google to login on all three sites). Out of those I think GetSatisfaction is the easiest to access - you can start an account there or use Google, Facebook, Twitter, Windows Live or Open ID, while Goko doesn't allow last two ways and Iso is Google/Yahoo/no login only.

[Ozle]

All this is so easy and obvious its a wonder Donald and Jay have not done it already...

[theory]

What are you arguing about, synpax?

If you want to complain about Goko, you can do so through the regular channels.  If you want to complain about DXV, well, that's pretty stupid since it's not like your forum posts will magically keep Isotropic alive.

I tolerate people criticizing Goko and RGG and DXV and whatever, but at some point it's just needless blather from people who feel like they are owed something. 

People way more invested than you in Isotropic have moved on.  You can too.

[Kirian]

as I know their support forums can be difficult to get into

Why difficult? You get there more or less the same way as on Goko or Iso (for me exactly the same, I use Google to login on all three sites). Out of those I think GetSatisfaction is the easiest to access - you can start an account there or use Google, Facebook, Twitter, Windows Live or Open ID, while Goko doesn't allow last two ways and Iso is Google/Yahoo/no login only.

In private beta, I was unable to get into their support forums.  Perhaps the new ones are better, but I haven't played enough in public beta to need to report anything.

People way more invested than you in Isotropic have moved on.  You can too.

There certainly is something ironic about someone with under 400 games on Iso complaining about this.

Understand:  I'm one of Goko's loudest, fiercest critics around these parts.  Like, since before we'd even heard the name "FunSockets."  Just ask Donald!

I'm indeed wondering the whole thread if Kirian was hacked or brainwashed or whatever...

Hah!  No, I'm just not a huge fan of non-constructive criticism, or repetition of points that have been quashed multiple times.

[Cuzz]

[...] DougZ programmed Iso on his own and got 99.9% of the rules right on the first try.

LOL.  You only ever saw the fifth try.  :-)

Still, let's check your bug squashing timeline vs Goko's...

It's probably about the same.

But didn't Doug do his work on top of a regular job? And by himself? And in a cave, up hill both ways in 7 feet of snow?

... programming by candlelight since there was no electricity there yet?

While juggling, and without breakfast.

[michaeljb]

There certainly is something ironic about someone with under 400 games on Iso complaining about this.

I love that 400 games is considered a small amount

[theory]

The average number of games played by an entrant in the DominionStrategy.com Championship is over 2,000.  If you eliminate those that lost in the first round, that average jumps to nearly 3,000.

Combined, the entrants have played over half a million games!  And although a lot of those games surely involve each other, that's still > 500,000 man-games of Dominion!

Kind of astonishing when you think about it.

[Beyond Awesome]

Yup. Last time I checked, I had well over 2,000 games.

[Kirian]

The average number of games played by an entrant in the DominionStrategy.com Championship is over 2,000.  If you eliminate those that lost in the first round, that average jumps to nearly 3,000.

Combined, the entrants have played over half a million games!  And although a lot of those games surely involve each other, that's still > 500,000 man-games of Dominion!

Kind of astonishing when you think about it.

Here's an astonishing fact:  There are at least three people on the leaderboard that have played more games than WW.

[cactus]

May I be frank?

No.

Do you honestly think Donald X hasn't considered something like this?  Do you honestly think that he would have entered into this agreement without being fully  aware of Goko's capabilities?  Do you honestly think this idea has not be discussed dozens of times in this very forum?

And I honestly don't understand why people hate Goko so much.  Yes, it is not perfect.  But they are working on it.  We have seen measured improvement, and we have every reason to expect the improvement will continue.  If you have beef with Goko, post on their forum, or in this forum, and your specific problem will be addressed.  If you just want to troll (and seriously, you cannot have seriously expected your offer would have been taken up), please do so somewhere else.

"Do you honestly think that he would have entered into this agreement without being fully  aware of Goko's capabilities?"..?! Putting aside the issue that Donald X. has no contract with these people.... would anyone have entered into a contract with them have entered into a contract with them if they'd known all this was going to happen.

Werothegreat - you have a very opposite opinion to me. I'm happy to read you defenses of Goko even though I don't agree with them one little bit. But I don't know why you think you have the right to "shout down" people who disagree with you. Or intimidate them into not expressing their opinions. Yes the view that Goko is rubbish has been expressed many times. The view that Goko is OK has been express quite a few times as well. The Goko implementation of Dominion is, of course, the biggest thing that is happening in the Dominion universe at the moment and many people who love the game want to have their say. To you my opinions and the opinions of a number of others don't seem to be "productive".... but the fact you don't like them or find it boring or inconvenient or non-productive that I am expressing them is not going to stop me. I love Dominion. I was excited about the Goko implementation when I first found out about it. I playtested and gave feed back and advised and spent a heap of time - for the love of the game. No I think things are going very much in the wrong direction and yes I will say so.