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Re: Random Stuff
« Reply #4475 on: July 20, 2014, 03:33:35 pm »
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well to be fair, I always thought you were called KingZong, and in my dream you were called KingZong, so it was correct in that context. i dreamt about KingZong, even if that's not you  :P

Is your world shattered now? You finally actually read my username :P

what happened to KingZog1 and 2 anyway?

KingZog4 and I don't talk about them.
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« Reply #4476 on: July 20, 2014, 03:50:56 pm »
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Great, now I want to create a fake account named KingZog2 and post, "Miss me, bitches?!"
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« Reply #4477 on: July 20, 2014, 04:42:47 pm »
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Great, now I want to create a fake account named KingZog2 and post, "Miss me, bitches?!"

I want theory to create a new admin account named KingZong, from which he shall conduct all future user bans.
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« Reply #4478 on: July 20, 2014, 04:53:47 pm »
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Great, now I want to create a fake account named KingZog2 and post, "Miss me, bitches?!"

I want theory to create a new admin account named KingZong, from which he shall conduct all future user bans.

And instead of being banned, it says you've been Zonged. "User has been Zonged for this post"
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« Reply #4479 on: July 20, 2014, 04:57:55 pm »
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How dare you say you don't talk about me! I'm your sister from Seaside! Uuuurrg I hate you #3!!
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« Reply #4480 on: July 20, 2014, 05:42:59 pm »
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I was doing my calculus homework today and I kept getting a problem wrong. (it is online and tells you if you are correct)
Apparently my error was that I put log instead of ln. This made me mad, since log should be the same thing as ln.
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« Reply #4481 on: July 20, 2014, 06:09:38 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.
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« Reply #4482 on: July 20, 2014, 06:10:37 pm »
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I never use ln because with my handwriting it's hard to tell what it is. But "log" is always discernible.
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« Reply #4483 on: July 20, 2014, 06:10:50 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff
« Reply #4484 on: July 20, 2014, 06:16:01 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.
I think log should never be used for natural log. If you want to use natural log, write ln, use log only if it doesn't matter e.g. ( O(log(n)) ) or if you specify the base

it's also not true not you don't need any other bases. it probably depends in what context you're in, but log with base 2 definitely isn't irrelevant.

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« Reply #4485 on: July 20, 2014, 07:12:11 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.
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« Reply #4486 on: July 20, 2014, 07:14:18 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.
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Re: Random Stuff
« Reply #4487 on: July 20, 2014, 07:26:41 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.

Mm, fair enough.
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« Reply #4488 on: July 20, 2014, 08:40:30 pm »
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In the context of my calculus homework, it would be pretty clear that log means natural log.
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Re: Random Stuff
« Reply #4489 on: July 20, 2014, 09:08:50 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.

I've seen several people say this on this forum and I would love to know in what field(s) this is correct.  Is it a mathematician thing, perhaps?  Between degrees in chemistry, chemical engineering, and neuroscience, including two years of physics and two years of calculus, plus a decade and a half of various reading, I have never encountered this.
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Re: Random Stuff
« Reply #4490 on: July 20, 2014, 09:15:28 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.

I've seen several people say this on this forum and I would love to know in what field(s) this is correct.  Is it a mathematician thing, perhaps?  Between degrees in chemistry, chemical engineering, and neuroscience, including two years of physics and two years of calculus, plus a decade and a half of various reading, I have never encountered this.

I definitely found that when I first learned about logarithms, Log was base 10 and ln base e, but I've increasingly seen log for natural log starting with high school calculus I think. I think it's mostly a mathematician thing, but I feel like I've also seen it in physics, chemistry, and computer science. My favorite is lg for base 2 though.
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Re: Random Stuff
« Reply #4491 on: July 20, 2014, 09:29:37 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.

I've seen several people say this on this forum and I would love to know in what field(s) this is correct.  Is it a mathematician thing, perhaps?  Between degrees in chemistry, chemical engineering, and neuroscience, including two years of physics and two years of calculus, plus a decade and a half of various reading, I have never encountered this.

Mathematician here.  When teaching calculus, log to me means base 10, and ln means base e.  Beyond that level, I almost never say "natural log", I just say "log" and hope the listener assumes it's base e.  I still might write ln though (with a cursive l, so it won't look like a 1).

In any case, mostly the constant multiple difference doesn't matter anyway in my experience.  I imagine that would be different as soon as you try to apply it to the "real" world.

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« Reply #4492 on: July 20, 2014, 10:03:24 pm »
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I imagine that would be different as soon as you try to apply it to the "real" world.

Darned mathematicians.
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« Reply #4493 on: July 20, 2014, 10:05:05 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.

I've seen several people say this on this forum and I would love to know in what field(s) this is correct.  Is it a mathematician thing, perhaps?  Between degrees in chemistry, chemical engineering, and neuroscience, including two years of physics and two years of calculus, plus a decade and a half of various reading, I have never encountered this.

Mathematician here.  When teaching calculus, log to me means base 10, and ln means base e.  Beyond that level, I almost never say "natural log", I just say "log" and hope the listener assumes it's base e.  I still might write ln though (with a cursive l, so it won't look like a 1).

In any case, mostly the constant multiple difference doesn't matter anyway in my experience.  I imagine that would be different as soon as you try to apply it to the "real" world.

Does nobody else pronounce ln as "lawn"?  That's what we always did.
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« Reply #4494 on: July 20, 2014, 10:21:48 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.

I've seen several people say this on this forum and I would love to know in what field(s) this is correct.  Is it a mathematician thing, perhaps?  Between degrees in chemistry, chemical engineering, and neuroscience, including two years of physics and two years of calculus, plus a decade and a half of various reading, I have never encountered this.

Mathematician here.  When teaching calculus, log to me means base 10, and ln means base e.  Beyond that level, I almost never say "natural log", I just say "log" and hope the listener assumes it's base e.  I still might write ln though (with a cursive l, so it won't look like a 1).

In any case, mostly the constant multiple difference doesn't matter anyway in my experience.  I imagine that would be different as soon as you try to apply it to the "real" world.

Does nobody else pronounce ln as "lawn"?  That's what we always did.

Many people I know say "lin" or "el en"
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« Reply #4495 on: July 20, 2014, 11:49:32 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

Depends on the field.

I've seen several people say this on this forum and I would love to know in what field(s) this is correct.  Is it a mathematician thing, perhaps?  Between degrees in chemistry, chemical engineering, and neuroscience, including two years of physics and two years of calculus, plus a decade and a half of various reading, I have never encountered this.

Mathematician here.  When teaching calculus, log to me means base 10, and ln means base e.  Beyond that level, I almost never say "natural log", I just say "log" and hope the listener assumes it's base e.  I still might write ln though (with a cursive l, so it won't look like a 1).

In any case, mostly the constant multiple difference doesn't matter anyway in my experience.  I imagine that would be different as soon as you try to apply it to the "real" world.

Mathematician here.  When teaching calculus, and any math course, and anywhere throughout life, unless you like to measure earthquake intensities, log means base e.

Base 10 is silly.  No one does that.  We write it "log" because we call it "log", because it's the log.  You don't need to specify the base, because of course you're going to use the natural base.
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« Reply #4496 on: July 20, 2014, 11:49:46 pm »
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I mean.. it's the natural one.
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« Reply #4497 on: July 20, 2014, 11:50:56 pm »
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That's stupid.  Log should always mean natural log. Other bases are only used for edge cases, and of course they're simply a multiple anyway.

I'm pretty sure that popular convention says that log(x) is base 10 unless otherwise specified.  That's what I learned, that's what my calculators did, and that's what Google does with their online calculator.

False.  The normal convention is "log(x)" is in base e.
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« Reply #4498 on: July 20, 2014, 11:53:44 pm »
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but why would you even want to use log for ln? just write ln. it's shorter and cleaner.

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« Reply #4499 on: July 20, 2014, 11:57:17 pm »
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but why would you even want to use log for ln? just write ln. it's shorter and cleaner.

It's not cleaner.  It's Latin, and doesn't even look right.  You don't see "ln" and say "log", you see "log" and say log.

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