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[zahlman]

Dominion has effects that let you trash a card in exchange for one costing $1, $2 or $3 more. But - why not this one?

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Name? - Action - Cost?

Trash a card from your hand. Gain a card costing up to $P more than the trashed card.

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It would really have to have a Potion cost, or else it defeats the purpose of Alchemy. But just how powerful is this? And how interesting? What would the most common uses be?

[SirPeebles]

I think the problem is that there are just too few cards with a potion cost out there.  If it does happen to appear with potion cost cards, then it could be quite nice.  I imagine turning copper/curse into vineyard, estate into scrying pool, potion into golem, and gold into possession.

[gman314]

In the quite common case where it appears as the only potion-cost card, it's really not worth getting unless it does something else. All you can do with it in that case is upgrade cards to it. But what are you going to do with all of those other than get more?

[Archetype]

For this to be often useable, I'm afraid there would have to be far more Potion cost cards in the game. If you are content on making this, and looking for a cost, $P should be fine.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Potion Upgrade - $3P
Action
+1 Card
+1 Action
You may trash a card from your hand. If you do, gain a card costing up to $1P more than the trashed card.


Now it's useful even when it's the only Potion cost card.

[Davio]

The thing is, this starts an Upgrade train even faster than Upgrade.

I mean, you'll get the first one around the same time on T3 or T4, but you can Upgrade Estates into this Potion Upgrade. Choo choo! So you'll get more Potion Upgrades faster than you would gain regular Upgrades.

[Tombolo]

$4 Action
Trash a card from your hand.  You may gain a card costing either $1 or P more.

Not GREAT if it shows up without other potion cards, but not useless either, especially with a "you may" stuck on it.

[Davio]

Problem: There will often be few Potion cards in the supply anyway.

You could just add one, like Young Witch's clause.

Random card
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Setup: If there are no cards with {P} in their cost in the supply, include one.

[DStu]

I would say this card needs a Potion cost, and must act as an intermediate station on the upgrading path to Province.
Give it 3P. So let it upgrade 3++->3P, and 3P->$8 should at least seems like it might have something to do as only Potion-cost card.
$3P->$8 seems like a great jump, but counting P as $2 it's "only" a $3 upgrade, like Expand. Taking into account that there are not that many targets with P, that is not that bad maybe.

[Drab Emordnilap]

The thing is, this starts an Upgrade train even faster than Upgrade.

I mean, you'll get the first one around the same time on T3 or T4, but you can Upgrade Estates into this Potion Upgrade. Choo choo! So you'll get more Potion Upgrades faster than you would gain regular Upgrades.

Well, then it's costed wrong. But I still think it's neat.

Choo choo!

[One Armed Man]

From http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=118.0 and DXV:
- Similarly there was a card that let you discard a Potion card for an effect, or get a potion symbol to spend. What Potions produce. You know. And there was a Remodel that could add the potion symbol to a cost.

Also,
#5 (tie) - Purification by One Armed Man with 10 points (Manitoba)
$2P - Action
+1 Card
+1 Action
+1 Buy
Discard or trash a card from your hand. You may gain a card costing less than it, putting it in your hand.

At this point I would get rid of the "you may".

[Bron]

What about

Action $3P
+1 card
+1 action
Trash a card from your hand. If the trashed card costs at least $3P, gain a card costing up to $6, otherwise gain a card costing up to P more than the trashed card.

 - You can "remodel" curses into coppers, estates into $2 or $2P actions, Silver into Gold in two steps.

[AJD]

What about

Action $3P
+1 card
+1 action
Trash a card from your hand. If the trashed card costs at least $3P, gain a card costing up to $6, otherwise gain a card costing up to P more than the trashed card.

 - You can "remodel" curses into coppers, estates into $2 or $2P actions, Silver into Gold in two steps.

..."At least 3P" includes just five cards, right?

[AJD]

(Well, six counting this one)

[Bron]

(Well, six counting this one)

Yes the point is to be able to "remodel" this card into something useful. To be able to remodel $2P into $6 seems to be too powerful since you'd be able to do estate->university->gold. Of course it can be something like $xP-> $(x+3) but I haven't found simple wording.

edit: and to me it seems fun to have an "unbreakable" barrier $2P - well unbreakable by this card.

[One Armed Man]

Bron, there is already a potion cost card that directly upgrades Estates to Golds: Transmute! Any potion-cost card could be safely transformed into a card costing 7 or less, I think.

[zahlman]

Yes the point is to be able to "remodel" this card into something useful. To be able to remodel $2P into $6 seems to be too powerful since you'd be able to do estate->university->gold. Of course it can be something like $xP-> $(x+3) but I haven't found simple wording.

You can already do Estate->Remodel->Gold... with Remodel. Yeah, gaining cards with the University in the interim is a bonus, but that kind of perk is not out-of-line for $XP cards compared to $X+2 cards IMO (consider the stacking of Alchemist vs. Laboratory, or the non-terminal nature of Familiar vs. $5 cursers)...

[ipofanes]

I once thought about a card which makes all cards cost one potion less, but I cannot imagine it not turn out broken.

Remake Estates into Alchemists, Silvers into Golems ...

On the other hand, even now, in the right deck you can remake two Squires to two Menageries + two Familiars.

[Bron]

You can already do Estate->Remodel->Gold... with Remodel. Yeah, gaining cards with the University in the interim is a bonus, but that kind of perk is not out-of-line for $XP cards compared to $X+2 cards IMO (consider the stacking of Alchemist vs. Laboratory, or the non-terminal nature of Familiar vs. $5 cursers)...

Sure, but that is slow, since remodel is terminal and you cannot do it with uprgrade that is much closer to what I proposed - $3P vs $5 upgrades itself into gold and it is (almost) cantrip.

edit: I think that it is already somewhat stronger than upgrade because of gaining "up to" and also adding P to cost is roughly adding $2, even though more limited so the usefulness is situational.