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Hanabi II
« on: November 17, 2012, 10:00:16 am »

Hanabi

A review

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Hanabi I, Hanabi I master spreadsheet, Hanabi I spectator quicktopic

Hanabi is a co-operative game; one where the players do not clash, but work as a team to achieve a common goal. They play the part of inattentive / drunk pyrotechnics experts, who accidentally mixed up the powders, wicks and rockets of a large fireworks display. Since the presentation is about to start, this has caused a bit of a panic! The team needs to help each other so the spectacle doesn't turn into a catastrophe!

The objective is to play cards 1-2-3-4-5 (in order) in each of 5 suits (colors). In each suit, there are three 1s, two 2s, two 3s, two 4s, and one 5.

Each player will have a hand of cards (5 cards in a three player game). Hands are secret, with the twist that each player can see all the cards except his own. I will send you the hands of the other players, labelled A-D, by PM, updating each time a card is played or discarded.  (If you play card B on your turn, then you will draw a card and it will go the card B slot.)

On your turn, you have three options:

1. Play a card (A-D), and then draw one. Your play is legal if the card is the next numerically in its suit - you may not skip or duplicate numbers. If the play is illegal, the card is discarded and the team receives a strike. 3 strikes = game over.

1a. If you play a 5 legally to complete a suit, you gain a bonus clue token for the team. If you have completed the fifth suit, you win!

2. Give information. You may discard a clue token (the team starts with 8) .  You identify all cards of a suit or number that one other player has. You must identify all matching cards.

This means that if person X has this hand:

R1 R2 Y1 G1

You can give the following clues:

A/C/D are 1
A/B are Red
C is Yellow
D is Green

You cannot give this clue:

A is a 1

3. Discard a card, gain a clue token, and then draw a new card.

If a player draws the last card from the deck, each player has one final turn (including the player who drew the last card).

Any form of in-game discussion other than posting your action is not allowed. And of course, do not PM the other players in the game.  You in fact should never need to PM anyone.

Final Scoring:

The final score is the total number of cards legally played:

0-5 Horrible! The crowd is booing!
6-10 Poor. Barely any applause.
11-15 Honorable, but nobody will remember it.
16-20 Excellent! Charms the crowd.
21-24 Extraordinary! Engraved in the crowd's memories.
25 Legendary! The crowd is speechless with stars in their eyes

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Strikes: 0/3
Clue Tokens: 8/8

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Red: (none)
Green: (none)
Blue: (none)
Yellow: (none)
Black: (none)

Discard: (none)

Deck: 34 cards
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 10:00:42 am »

Spectators: PM me if you want to see the overall game state.

Players: This game will work somewhat differently than Hanabi I: I will PM each of you a spreadsheet that will live update with the hands you can see and the game state.  You'll simply post your moves in this thread. 
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 11:12:04 am »

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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2012, 04:07:23 pm »

I'll \in as well.  Priority to somebody playing for the first time if they want it, but I enjoy this.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 05:40:08 pm »

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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2012, 12:51:47 am »

If someone signs up for this by Monday who hasn't played, then they're in.  Otherwise you will be in, shraeye.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2012, 01:09:45 am »

cool, sounds fair.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2012, 10:56:03 am »

Looks like you're in :)  I'll start it now.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2012, 11:30:52 am »

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Clue Tokens: 8/8

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Green: (none)
Blue: (none)
Yellow: (none)
Black: (none)

Discard: (none)

Deck: 34 cards

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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2012, 11:44:07 am »

Clue: Watno's B is 1
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2012, 12:25:53 pm »

shraeye's B, C, and D are 1.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2012, 05:51:42 pm »

Tables' B and C card are 2s.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2012, 08:13:37 pm »

Watno's b is green
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2012, 10:30:20 am »

Clue: Shraeye has no greens

(I checked, this is legal)
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2012, 12:00:08 pm »

Play B=G1
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2012, 02:32:57 pm »

I'll make an exception in this case, but you are not allowed to say what you're playing.  In this case you had both bits of information, but especially when you only have one bit of information, you communicate too much when you say what you play (because sometimes other people don't know that you know certain things).
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2012, 02:37:10 pm »

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Strikes: 0/3
Clue Tokens: 3/8

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Red: (none)
Green: G1
Blue: (none)
Yellow: (none)
Black: (none)

Discard: (none)

Deck: 33 cards

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1   Tables   clue   Watno   B   1
2   Watno   clue   shraeye   B, C, D   1
3   shraeye   clue   Tables   B, C   2
4   Insomniac   clue   Watno   B   Green
5   Tables   clue   shraeye   none   Green
6   Watno   play      B   G1
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2012, 02:39:02 pm »

I play D.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2012, 11:23:39 am »

Tables C is Red
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2012, 07:47:52 pm »

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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2012, 12:36:06 pm »

Watno or Theory?
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2012, 11:18:19 am »

Sorry I am back now.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2012, 11:38:31 am »

Insomiac's A is a 3.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2012, 02:54:01 pm »

Play my C card.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2012, 10:45:14 am »

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Strikes: 0/3
Clue Tokens: 1/8

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Red: R1 R2
Green: G1
Blue: (none)
Yellow: Y1
Black: (none)

Discard: (none)

Deck: 30 cards

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1   Tables   clue   Watno   B   1
2   Watno   clue   shraeye   B, C, D   1
3   shraeye   clue   Tables   B, C   2
4   Insomniac   clue   Watno   B   Green
5   Tables   clue   shraeye   none   Green
6   Watno   play      B   G1
7   shraeye   play      D   R1
8   Insomniac   clue   Tables   C   Red
9   Tables   play      C   R2
10   Watno   clue   Insomniac   A   3
11   shraeye   play      C   Y1
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2012, 11:18:44 am »

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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2012, 03:03:37 pm »

Shraeye, your C is Red.

Note: No clues left
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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2012, 03:40:25 pm »

Discard A.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2012, 11:50:40 am »

**mod prod**
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2012, 04:29:35 pm »

**mod prod**
Sorry, I'm not very clever at using the google-doc and was waiting for an update here.  Getting to it now.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2012, 04:41:27 pm »

Insomniac's B card is a 5.

Out of clues.
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2012, 05:31:54 pm »

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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2012, 08:07:07 pm »

Watno's A is 2
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2012, 12:41:16 pm »

Play A.
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2012, 09:26:12 pm »

Play C.
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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2012, 11:19:43 pm »

Discard D
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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2012, 04:41:47 am »

Clue: Watno's B is 1
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2012, 11:37:50 am »

Play B
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2012, 12:22:30 pm »

PLay B.

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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2012, 06:29:47 pm »

Hey, Insomniac?
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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2012, 09:58:29 pm »

Sorry hadn't noticed it was my turn. Discard d
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« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2012, 08:00:33 am »

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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2012, 11:11:58 am »

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Strikes: 0/3
Clue Tokens: 1/8

Played
Red: R1 R2 R3 R4
Green: G1
Blue: B1
Yellow: Y1 Y2
Black: K1 K2

Discard: Y2 Y4; K1 K4

Deck: 20 cards

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1   Tables   clue   Watno   B   1
2   Watno   clue   shraeye   B, C, D   1
3   shraeye   clue   Tables   B, C   2
4   Insomniac   clue   Watno   B   Green
5   Tables   clue   shraeye   none   Green
6   Watno   play      B   G1
7   shraeye   play      D   R1
8   Insomniac   clue   Tables   C   Red
9   Tables   play      C   R2
10   Watno   clue   Insomniac   A   3
11   shraeye   play      C   Y1
12   Insomniac   play      A   R3
13   Tables   clue   shraeye   C   Red
14   Watno   disc      A   Y2
15   shraeye   clue   Insomniac   B   5
16   Insomniac   disc      C   K4
17   Tables   clue   Watno   A   2
18   Watno   play      A   Y2
19   shraeye   play      C   R4
20   Insomniac   disc      D   K1
21   Tables   clue   Watno   B   1
22   Watno   play      B   B1
23   shraeye   play      B   K1
24   Insomniac   disc      D   Y4
25   Tables   play      B   K2
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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2012, 11:55:33 am »

Insomniac's B is red
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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2012, 10:43:41 am »

Discard C
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2012, 11:41:21 am »

Play B
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« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2012, 11:50:31 am »

Watno's B, C, D are 3
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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2012, 12:39:20 pm »

Play B.
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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2012, 04:54:57 pm »

Discard D.
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« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2012, 07:37:09 pm »

Insomniac?
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« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2012, 12:29:49 pm »

Tables C is 4
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« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2012, 12:33:34 pm »

Play C
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« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2012, 02:53:28 pm »

Play C
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« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2012, 04:19:00 pm »

Insomniac's B is Yellow.
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« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2012, 11:08:12 am »

Play B
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« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2012, 02:19:30 pm »

Watno's B is 2
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« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2012, 02:38:11 pm »

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« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2012, 02:49:26 pm »

Insomniac's D is his only 4

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« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2012, 02:51:55 pm »

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« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2012, 03:00:46 pm »

That was quick.

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« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2012, 03:05:47 pm »

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« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2012, 03:07:40 pm »

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« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2012, 03:09:48 pm »

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Strikes: 0/3
Clue Tokens: 1/8

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Red: R1 R2 R3 R4 R5
Green: G1
Blue: B1
Yellow: Y1 Y2 Y3 Y4 Y5
Black: K1 K2 K3 K4

Discard: G3 G4; Y1 Y1 Y2 Y3 Y4; K1 K4

Deck: 10 cards

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1   Tables   clue   Watno   B   1
2   Watno   clue   shraeye   B, C, D   1
3   shraeye   clue   Tables   B, C   2
4   Insomniac   clue   Watno   B   Green
5   Tables   clue   shraeye   none   Green
6   Watno   play      B   G1
7   shraeye   play      D   R1
8   Insomniac   clue   Tables   C   Red
9   Tables   play      C   R2
10   Watno   clue   Insomniac   A   3
11   shraeye   play      C   Y1
12   Insomniac   play      A   R3
13   Tables   clue   shraeye   C   Red
14   Watno   disc      A   Y2
15   shraeye   clue   Insomniac   B   5
16   Insomniac   disc      C   K4
17   Tables   clue   Watno   A   2
18   Watno   play      A   Y2
19   shraeye   play      C   R4
20   Insomniac   disc      D   K1
21   Tables   clue   Watno   B   1
22   Watno   play      B   B1
23   shraeye   play      B   K1
24   Insomniac   disc      D   Y4
25   Tables   play      B   K2
26   Watno   clue   Insomniac   B   Red
27   shraeye   disc      C   G4
28   Insomniac   play      B   R5
29   Tables   clue   Watno   B,C,D   3
30   Watno   play      B   Y3
31   shraeye   disc      D   Y1
32   Insomniac   clue   Tables   C   4
33   Tables   play      C   Y4
34   Watno   play      C   K3
35   shraeye   clue   Insomniac   B   Yellow
36   Insomniac   play      B   Y5
37   Tables   clue   Watno   B   2
38   Watno   disc      D   Y3
39   shraeye   clue   Insomniac   D   4
40   Insomniac   play      D   K4
41   Tables   disc      A   G3
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2012, 04:11:57 pm »

Play B
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« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2012, 04:30:04 pm »

Tables' A and D card are both Green.

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« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2012, 04:33:36 pm »

Watno's A is 5
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« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2012, 05:07:54 pm »

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« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2012, 05:15:22 pm »

Insomniac's D card is his only 3.

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« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2012, 05:18:03 pm »

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« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2012, 05:38:41 pm »

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« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2012, 05:45:37 pm »

Insomniacs B and C are 2.
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« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2012, 05:48:55 pm »

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« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2012, 06:10:06 pm »

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« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2012, 06:14:52 pm »

I've got some work so I won't be updating it live any more.
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« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2012, 06:21:33 pm »

Watno's A is black
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« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2012, 07:19:02 pm »

pause.  Stop play, wait for theory.
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« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2012, 07:42:29 pm »

Continue; thank you.
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« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2012, 08:14:28 pm »

I had made a small mistake.  Thanks shraeye for catching it.
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« Reply #79 on: December 13, 2012, 08:17:25 pm »

Play A
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« Reply #80 on: December 13, 2012, 08:32:37 pm »

Watno's C card is a 4.
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« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2012, 12:53:31 pm »

Play C
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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2012, 01:11:31 pm »

One card remaining in deck.  Next person to draw will trigger endgame.
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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2012, 01:12:23 pm »

That'll be me then.
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« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2012, 01:13:56 pm »

Everyone now, including Tables, gets one more turn.
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« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2012, 01:15:26 pm »

Play C
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« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2012, 02:55:55 pm »

PLay B.
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« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2012, 02:57:42 pm »

Tables A is 5
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« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2012, 03:32:01 pm »

Hmm...

Hmm...

Play... C? No, no, wait, Play A
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« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2012, 03:32:26 pm »

24! yay!
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« Reply #90 on: December 14, 2012, 03:34:29 pm »

Yeah, that's pretty good, much better than I was expecting us to do.
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« Reply #91 on: December 14, 2012, 03:36:06 pm »

I think we had a fair bit of luck considering at the beginning of the game I didn't get any clues so I was blind discarding.
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« Reply #92 on: December 14, 2012, 03:37:04 pm »

Generally though, if you don't get any clues, you can assume you don't have anything important in hand, so you should probably just discard your oldest card. That's why I blindly discarded G5, I'd had it forever and never been warned, so assumed it couldn't be important.
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« Reply #93 on: December 14, 2012, 03:41:15 pm »

Generally though, if you don't get any clues, you can assume you don't have anything important in hand, so you should probably just discard your oldest card. That's why I blindly discarded G5, I'd had it forever and never been warned, so assumed it couldn't be important.
I did in fact tell you that this was green.
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« Reply #94 on: December 14, 2012, 03:42:16 pm »

Also, was my last play of B actually the B4? theory has it marked as K3 on the spreadsheet.
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« Reply #95 on: December 14, 2012, 03:42:58 pm »

Also, was my last play of B actually the B4? theory has it marked as K3 on the spreadsheet.

Twas B4 on mine I was so happy you had a 50/50 of picking the blue 4 because you had both
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« Reply #96 on: December 14, 2012, 03:44:19 pm »

I figured the B4 was B/D.  That my A card was not the blue 4, or I may have been clued about it earlier.
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« Reply #97 on: December 14, 2012, 03:44:55 pm »

wierd according to the spreadsheet its your A and C. and you played B, but when you played the card I swore it was your Blue 4
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« Reply #98 on: December 14, 2012, 03:45:35 pm »

Generally though, if you don't get any clues, you can assume you don't have anything important in hand, so you should probably just discard your oldest card. That's why I blindly discarded G5, I'd had it forever and never been warned, so assumed it couldn't be important.
I did in fact tell you that this was green.

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« Reply #99 on: December 14, 2012, 03:46:25 pm »

Oh yeah hey guys we got 22 not 24 lol
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« Reply #100 on: December 14, 2012, 03:47:06 pm »

Oh well still good.
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« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2012, 03:57:55 pm »

That's bizarre, did anyone else think it was the B4 that was played?  I'm pretty confident I marked it as the K3 being played.
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« Reply #102 on: December 14, 2012, 03:58:05 pm »

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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2012, 10:06:38 pm »

Well good game, I think we screwed up a bit in the arly parts, so we didn't quite manage to get full points in the end :(
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Re: Hanabi II
« Reply #104 on: February 15, 2013, 11:32:01 am »

I'd like to play this again, anyone else?
Also is there someone willing to host?
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