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[ehunt]

V/LA fyi: my life sucks till dec. 1 and gets substantially better after then.

anyway i've been following today on my cellphone.

my brief thoughts as far as defensiveness goes: when someone says "person B is scummy," the complete meaning is usually: person B did thing A, and I think people who do thing A are scummy for reasons X, Y, and Z.

if you are person B in this scenario, and you happen to be town, you have a few possible rebuttals, but they depend on the truth of the variables. Maybe you did thing A, and you broadly agree with X, Y, and Z, but what can you say, you weren't doing thing A to be [misleading/confusing/get a townie mislycnhed]. Maybe you did thing A, but you don't think thing A is a scumtell, because you disagree with X, Y, and Z.

in either of those scenarios, I think defensiveness is appropriate, even a human reaction, but over-defensiveness is unnecessary and can be a scumtell e.g. I am thinking of a game that has not yet concluded (I am sad that Robz called my defensiveness annoying! That's what IBGTennis said and he was scum!)

However, if you DIDN'T DO THING A, then i think you should scream bloody murder. the reason is that this game has a notorious "truth creation" problem. This is how I went down in MIX as doctor. There was just this completely unbacked-up assumption that I had done something scummy, but it became truth because it just kept getting shouted louder and louder and everyone who came in late to the party was like "oh, ehunt must've done something scummy". So I think it's completely fine to say, hey, thing A didn't happen. That's how I felt at TheMunch in this game when he said I was being opportunistic by jumping on eevee.

Anyway Robz rebuttal to Volt is of the "I didn't do thing A" variety and I therefore think legitimate even if Volt was the only pressure on him. But there are tons of votes on Robz! So i don't think the defensiveness is a scumtell at all.

[Abra655]

Ok, caught up sry for the absence just know tuesdays and thursdays It'll be really hard for me to be on. I have a single hour between my last class and work at the paper which goes crazy late. As soon as this semester ends i'll have more time but its all crazy. Here are my thoughts so far

abra, what gender pronoun should we refer to you by?

Im a guy

It's too confusing for me to find it scummy, frankly.

On the ehunt argument The confusing nature makes me find it kinda scummy

Robbz reads like he has in every game i've read, and I always suspected scum but in those games he turned out town. So he seems scummy but I obviously don't know how to read him.

TheMunch: I instinctively agree with the hedging argument against him but have nothing substantial to base it on.

Im not going to vote yet I don't think any argument has been particularly compelling for or against nyone everything seems quasi-RVS still

[ehunt]

eHunt on the other hand, read scummier than town!eHunt to me.  He's a smart guy, with smart posts.  He was obtuse and confusing with his pronoun argument, which he himself admitted in the end was moot.  Just doesn't remind me of the supertown eHunt we all know.

like this. in this case, I "did thing A." I was confusing. I don't think it was my fault that I was confusing, I was quoting a confusing quote about a confusing quote, and I was trying to make sense of a fight. But (as I already said) in retrospect I should just have recognized that there was no need to comment on eevee at all, since the thrust of that post was about Archetype. This is one of those cases where I don't think "thing A" is particularly scummy. I agree that scum is going to try to be confusing on a broad level, e.g. by bussing, or by proposing wrong or unimportant conspiracy theories. But I don't think scum is any more likely than town to write one particular post that's confusing.

[ehunt]

Ok, caught up sry for the absence just know tuesdays and thursdays It'll be really hard for me to be on. I have a single hour between my last class and work at the paper which goes crazy late. As soon as this semester ends i'll have more time but its all crazy. Here are my thoughts so far

abra, what gender pronoun should we refer to you by?

Im a guy

It's too confusing for me to find it scummy, frankly.

On the ehunt argument The confusing nature makes me find it kinda scummy

Robbz reads like he has in every game i've read, and I always suspected scum but in those games he turned out town. So he seems scummy but I obviously don't know how to read him.

TheMunch: I instinctively agree with the hedging argument against him but have nothing substantial to base it on.

Im not going to vote yet I don't think any argument has been particularly compelling for or against nyone everything seems quasi-RVS still

just so you know - editing posts is forbidden - if you make a typo or quoting error, just make a new post explaining it.

i think by coincidence that i answered your argument about being confusing in the process of making my most recent post.

it's hard to describe munch as hedging, more like very strong opinions, which flip-flop rapidly.

[ashersky]

Ok, caught up sry for the absence just know tuesdays and thursdays It'll be really hard for me to be on. I have a single hour between my last class and work at the paper which goes crazy late. As soon as this semester ends i'll have more time but its all crazy. Here are my thoughts so far

abra, what gender pronoun should we refer to you by?

Im a guy

It's too confusing for me to find it scummy, frankly.

On the ehunt argument The confusing nature makes me find it kinda scummy

Robbz reads like he has in every game i've read, and I always suspected scum but in those games he turned out town. So he seems scummy but I obviously don't know how to read him.

TheMunch: I instinctively agree with the hedging argument against him but have nothing substantial to base it on.

Im not going to vote yet I don't think any argument has been particularly compelling for or against nyone everything seems quasi-RVS still

Abra, noticed you edited this Post.  Mod can back this up, but NEVER EDIT POSTS.  All-caps for emphasis, not anger.  It's an absolute no-no in forum mafia.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.4

Abra655: (1) Insomniac
Archetype: (2) Cuzz, ehunt
cayvie: (1) ashersky
Robz888: (4) Archetype, Voltgloss, Captain_Frisk, TheMunch
eevee: (1) cayvie
TheMunch: (1) shraeye

Not Voting: {4} Robz888, jotheonah, Eevee, Abra665

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Lynch deadline: December 17, 2012  at 8:00 am forum time- Remember that this game uses bankable deadlines, see here for more information

[yuma]

Rules Update:

1. No editing posts. Period.

2. No claiming of mod quoted text. If you have a question about this PM me first and I will be able to let you know if your post is appropriate or not.

3. This mod will only be around during weekday afternoons and there is not yet a backup mod

[ashersky]

Rules Update:

1. No editing posts. Period.

2. No claiming of mod quoted text. If you have a question about this PM me first and I will be able to let you know if your post is appropriate or not.

3. This mod will only be around during weekday afternoons and there is not yet a backup mod

I assume #2 means no "quoting" of mod text?

[yuma]

Rules Update:

1. No editing posts. Period.

2. No claiming of mod quoted text. If you have a question about this PM me first and I will be able to let you know if your post is appropriate or not.

3. This mod will only be around during weekday afternoons and there is not yet a backup mod

I assume #2 means no "quoting" of mod text?

Yes.

And when a post is put into the thread it is immediately sent to my e-mail. As such I am able to read original posts there before they are edited. I checked Abra's original post to the one that is edited and the only changes appeared to be minor punctuation changes. But still, no editing of any post for any reason.

[Voltgloss]

Robz:  is Archetype still your top scumread?  If not, who is/why?

joth:  Why do you not trust your gut very much at this point?

Archetype:  What are your thoughts on Robz and the people voting for/expressing suspicion of Robz?

Abra:  Which other games have you read?

[Voltgloss]

Post count (since Day 1 Start):

cayvie - 10
Insomniac - 25
Cuzz - 8
Eevee - 28
Robz888 - 27
ashersky - 14
TheMunch - 31
Captain_Frisk - 15
Voltgloss - 11
Abra655 - 8
jotheonah - 10
Archetype - 8
shraeye - 11
ehunt - 16

[Robz888]

Volt, I'm at the gym, will give full answer later.

[Archetype]

Archetype:  What are your thoughts on Robz and the people voting for/expressing suspicion of Robz?

Even though he is still my top scum read (followed by ehunt), I think that people have started voting for Robz a little too quickly than they should have. Most of Robz's defenses, however, have seemed very weak and don't make him appear townier in my eyes at all.

[Archetype]

Post count (since Day 1 Start):

cayvie - 10
Insomniac - 25
Cuzz - 8
Eevee - 28
Robz888 - 27
ashersky - 14
TheMunch - 31
Captain_Frisk - 15
Voltgloss - 11
Abra655 - 8
jotheonah - 10
Archetype - 8
shraeye - 11
ehunt - 16

Hm. Didn't think other people had as low of a post count as me. Jo especially. I think he's V/LA, though.

[Captain_Frisk]

That's pretty low for me - and igh for Eevee.

What's up cuzz?

[Insomniac]

That's pretty low for me - and igh for Eevee.

What's up cuzz?

Why is that high for Eevee, Eevee is always a talker

[cayvie]

i don't get the case on Robz. but then, i don't get much lately, apparently.

[cayvie]

That's pretty low for me - and igh for Eevee.

What's up cuzz?

it's low as balls for me!

[Captain_Frisk]

That's pretty low for me - and igh for Eevee.

What's up cuzz?

Why is that high for Eevee, Eevee is always a talker

I always view Eevee as a tier 2talker.

[Cuzz]

That's pretty low for me - and igh for Eevee.

What's up cuzz?

What up, Frisk?

Man, I can't not lurk to save my life.

Not getting any major reads yet. ehunt seems like normal analytical ehunt. Eevee seems like normal jolly Eevee. Robz seems mostly like normal "Christ-on-a-biscuit is there really another D1 wagon on me?" Robz.

Got a bad vibe from Archetype's original vote for Insomniac, and I also really have a problem with Munch's "I've caught scum!" remark from like page 3 of the game.

That's all for now I think.

[cayvie]

hm, my fingers seem to be typing "vote: cuzz"

time for me to figure out why they're doing that

[Insomniac]

That's pretty low for me - and igh for Eevee.

What's up cuzz?

Why is that high for Eevee, Eevee is always a talker

I always view Eevee as a tier 2talker.

Curious what am I? and you?

[Cuzz]

hm, my fingers seem to be typing "vote: cuzz"

time for me to figure out why they're doing that

Boy ya just can't argue with a case like that.

[cayvie]

hm, my fingers seem to be typing "vote: cuzz"

time for me to figure out why they're doing that

Boy ya just can't argue with a case like that.

it's not a case yet

[Captain_Frisk]

hm, my fingers seem to be typing "vote: cuzz"

time for me to figure out why they're doing that

It's hard to analyze 9 posts worth of content, but the speed with which he comes in and says basically nothing is impressive after being called out for lurking.