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[ashersky]

Thought you guys might enjoy this.

http://imgur.com/gallery/O4yEq

Fantastic.  I'll be sharing it with my boss, a rabid Cards fan.

[greatexpectations]

Best pitcher in the NL in the playoffs.  Remember, these are baseball writers who are voting.

uh yeah that still isn't true. gio gonzalez, matt cain, craig kimbrel, and aroldis chapman were just as good or better.

[Ozle]

Thought you guys might enjoy this.

http://imgur.com/gallery/O4yEq

Haha, I wondered what was special about that image for aaaages!

[ashersky]

Best pitcher in the NL in the playoffs.  Remember, these are baseball writers who are voting.

uh yeah that still isn't true. gio gonzalez, matt cain, craig kimbrel, and aroldis chapman were just as good or better.

Just as good or better is relative, of course.  Gio was definitely great, and has the edge in wins and Ks, Cueto in WAR (albeit iffy for pitchers generally), walks, and ERA.  Chapman/Kimbrel are in the discussion, but when there are this many great starters in the convo, I feel like closers won't really have a chance to win the award. 

I don't buy the Cain argument--has a better WHIP and more Ks, but falls behind everywhere else.

[jonts26]

Matt Cain leads Cueto (and in fact the entire NL) in fielding dependent wins. And since he's been consistently good at that over the years, it's likely that WAR undervalues him. Also he has a better k/bb ratio than Cueto and is just about tied in ERA. He probably wasn't quite as good as Cueto this year, but it's close.

[ashersky]

Matt Cain leads Cueto (and in fact the entire NL) in fielding dependent wins. And since he's been consistently good at that over the years, it's likely that WAR undervalues him. Also he has a better k/bb ratio than Cueto and is just about tied in ERA. He probably wasn't quite as good as Cueto this year, but it's close.

Cain is definitely a fantastic pitcher, year in/year out.  I think we agree in the end though, based on your last sentence.

My guess is Dickey gets it over Kershaw, and Cueto/Cain lose out anyway.

[Lekkit]

I like baseball. Not too much coverage here, though. I do remember an unassisted triple play a few years back that was pretty cool.

Also, I actually root for SF Giants. Mainly because Barry Bonds played for them when I wanted a team to root for. He used to hit pretty good when he got pitches he could actually bat at.

[greatexpectations]

Just as good or better is relative, of course. 

as is 'best pitcher in the playoffs'.

Gio was definitely great, and has the edge in wins and Ks, Cueto in WAR (albeit iffy for pitchers generally), walks, and ERA.  Chapman/Kimbrel are in the discussion, but when there are this many great starters in the convo, I feel like closers won't really have a chance to win the award. 

I don't buy the Cain argument--has a better WHIP and more Ks, but falls behind everywhere else.

gio has a better fip, cueto has a tougher park but an easier division to pitch in. and we can agree to disagree on the closers argument. there are a few good starters, but it has been a while since any reliever has had as good a year as these guys had. and of course they both get that magical 'playoff team' bump. cain's whip is largely due to having the better babip. but as jonts26 pointed out his low babip and hr/9 rates have been repeatable so you can't just chalk that to luck. and cain and cueto have nearly identical walk rates and era. cueto's only clear edge over cain is a tougher park.

but in the end it's all dickey, all the time.

[Toolshed113]

I like baseball. Not too much coverage here, though. I do remember an unassisted triple play a few years back that was pretty cool.

Were you referring to the one that Phillies future Hall of Famer Eric Bruntlett (read: a terrible terrible player) pulled off to end the game vs the Mets a few years ago? Man, that was awesome. Mostly because it was against the Mets.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=6256159

[Lekkit]

I can't watch the clip from my phone, so I'll have to get back to you on that. All I can remember is that it was probably five or six years ago.

I've never been good at players. I had a few favorite ones back in the days, but not really based on their performances, but rather because of something they did during a game I happened to catch.

[Lekkit]

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20050425&c_id=mlb

I'm pretty sure it was that one.

[Eevee]

I like baseball. Not too much coverage here, though. I do remember an unassisted triple play a few years back that was pretty cool.

Also, I actually root for SF Giants. Mainly because Barry Bonds played for them when I wanted a team to root for. He used to hit pretty good when he got pitches he could actually bat at.

How can someone from Europe like baseball is beyond me.

[Ozle]

I like baseball. Not too much coverage here, though. I do remember an unassisted triple play a few years back that was pretty cool.

Also, I actually root for SF Giants. Mainly because Barry Bonds played for them when I wanted a team to root for. He used to hit pretty good when he got pitches he could actually bat at.

How can someone from Europe like baseball is beyond me.

Dont you live in the world of silly sports? Like Floorball? FLOORBALL? I mean, come on!

[Lekkit]

It's a nice sport to watch. Easy to follow unlike, say, hockey. And it gets pretty tense and exciting at times too!

[Galzria]

It's a nice sport to watch. Easy to follow unlike, say, hockey. And it gets pretty tense and exciting at times too!

I enjoy Hockey. It's second only to baseball. How in the world is it hard to follow?

[Eevee]

I like baseball. Not too much coverage here, though. I do remember an unassisted triple play a few years back that was pretty cool.

Also, I actually root for SF Giants. Mainly because Barry Bonds played for them when I wanted a team to root for. He used to hit pretty good when he got pitches he could actually bat at.

How can someone from Europe like baseball is beyond me.

Dont you live in the world of silly sports? Like Floorball? FLOORBALL? I mean, come on!

No one, I mean no one, watches floorball on tv, it's not a spectator sport. But it's a fun game to play, easy and good exercise without having to buy expensive equipment and stuff + it's easy and everyone knows how.

[Galzria]

I like baseball. Not too much coverage here, though. I do remember an unassisted triple play a few years back that was pretty cool.

Also, I actually root for SF Giants. Mainly because Barry Bonds played for them when I wanted a team to root for. He used to hit pretty good when he got pitches he could actually bat at.

How can someone from Europe like baseball is beyond me.

Dont you live in the world of silly sports? Like Floorball? FLOORBALL? I mean, come on!

No one, I mean no one, watches floorball on tv, it's not a spectator sport. But it's a fun game to play, easy and good exercise without having to buy expensive equipment and stuff + it's easy and everyone knows how.

You know what's easy to play, good exercise, and everybody knows how? Tag.

[Ozle]

It's a nice sport to watch. Easy to follow unlike, say, hockey. And it gets pretty tense and exciting at times too!

I enjoy Hockey. It's second only to baseball. How in the world is it hard to follow?

Wait wait wait, Hockey? Or Ice Hockey....

[Lekkit]

It's a nice sport to watch. Easy to follow unlike, say, hockey. And it gets pretty tense and exciting at times too!

I enjoy Hockey. It's second only to baseball. How in the world is it hard to follow?

Oh, you know. Men chasing a puck around, and you can't see the puck. To me that would be like wathing a game of Quidditch with only golden snitches.

[Ozle]

Nononononononoooooooo

Hockey has a BALL!

[Lekkit]

Land hockey is like cricket. Totally unenjoyable. I've heard they have tea breaks in cricket and that's about what I think is good about it.

[Ozle]

Land hockey is like cricket. Totally unenjoyable. I've heard they have tea breaks in cricket and that's about what I think is good about it.

Land Hockey = Hockey

And I repeat FLOORBALL?!?!

you may as well play Sitting Volleyball, or Ultimate Frisbee, or Tag Rugby!

[shraeye]

Land hockey is like cricket. Totally unenjoyable. I've heard they have tea breaks in cricket and that's about what I think is good about it.

Land Hockey = Hockey

And I repeat FLOORBALL?!?!

you may as well play Sitting Volleyball, or Ultimate Frisbee, or Tag Rugby!

Hey, Ultimate is a sport.  I don't like that implication, sir.

[Ozle]

It's a pastime at best!

Just looked it up, its included in The World Games.....which also includes such luminaries as......Tumbling, Canoe Polo, Fistball, Lifesaving and Casting (as in Fishing, but without the actual fishing part)

That about sums it up!

[Eevee]

It's a pastime at best!

Just looked it up, its included in The World Games.....which also includes such luminaries as......Tumbling, Canoe Polo, Fistball, Lifesaving and Casting (as in Fishing, but without the actual fishing part)

That about sums it up!

Go read my post again. Same arguments apply to ultimate frisbee too, by the way. And the difference with tag is that floorball and ultimate frisbee are FUN to play. Personally I don't find any sport particularly enjoyable to spectate, but basketball is pretty cool because at least something happens.