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[TheMunch]

So what do you think that means, CF?  What do you think this tells us?

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote Count 2-8

Yuma (1) - TheMunch
Eevee (2) - Jotheonah, QVist
Jotheonah (2) - Eevee, Axxle
Ashersky (2) - Captain_Frisk, Yuma
Captain_Frisk (1) - Ashersky

Not Voting (1) - Voltgloss

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: November 26 2012, Noon PST

So what do you think that means, CF?  What do you think this tells us?

Observations:

#1 - Everyone wants to kill asher, yet no-one is voting for him.
#2 - Asher and Volt are the only people who are not currently voting for one of their scumreads in this set.
#3 - Volt is by far seen as the towniest
#4 - Axxle is the most ignored.
#5- Asher and Joth agree on NOTHING.  They are the only pair that have no agreements (mainly because everyone who isn't asher agrees that Asher is scummy)
#6 - Eevee and Axxle agree on EVERYTHING.

So some follow up questions:

Volt - why aren't you voting right now?

Asher - do you really think that I'm scum?  Can you explain why my behavior is scummy?  I know that you feel that I may have led you around in a past game, but I think you'll find that was after I had fabricated a claim and had no other option.  Also - just because I've rolled scummy in the past has no bearing on whether or not I would roll scum in this game.

Is anyone else willing to go back and put togehter similar charts / aggreagtions of everyone's scum / town reads from ZM3/4?  I'd do it, but I'm short on wife points right now.

[Eevee]

What do we make of everyone suspecting ashersky?

Doesn't really make me change my mind about joth though. Everyone, we need coordination to make a lynch happen now. Feel especially bad and guilty if you are town - your laziness makes it real easy for mafia to steer us towards a mislynch.

Deadline is looming, and the vote count is all over the place. I want jotheonah gone and strongly urge everyone to consider my case.

[Captain_Frisk]

What do we make of everyone suspecting ashersky?

Doesn't really make me change my mind about joth though. Everyone, we need coordination to make a lynch happen now. Feel especially bad and guilty if you are town - your laziness makes it real easy for mafia to steer us towards a mislynch.

Deadline is looming, and the vote count is all over the place. I want jotheonah gone and strongly urge everyone to consider my case.

Translation: even though I said asher was the most scummy, and I'm on the record as generally agreeing with the philosophy that there are scum in this group, I'd rather lynch my other scum read.

Full case on Joth?

[Voltgloss]

Volt - why aren't you voting right now?

1.  I wanted to see your conclusions first.
2.  I wanted to see if Axxle remained as ignored as he appeared to me when I posted my reads.
3.  I wanted to confirm that everyone wants to lynch ash.

Vote: Axxle

ash is scummy, but appears to be SUCH an easy lynch* that I'm getting more and more uneasy about it.  I especially find it weird that, when pressured, ash announced Axxle/joth as scummy but decided to vote Frisk. 

I would like everyone to go on record with their reads on Axxle.  People are ignoring him, despite others (Qvist, me, now Frisk) commenting explicitly on how people are ignoring him. 

[jotheonah]

On the record, I think Axxle is more likely scumlurker than townlurker but could be either.

[TheMunch]

I had a thought; maybe I am just super preoccupied with the "if we mislynch today, tomorrow is going to suck" but...

There are some cases on a good number of players.  I think for each of these players there is a person that was pushing these cases the most.  My thought is, for each of these pairs (lynch target/wagon pusher) is there one pair specifically where we can be incredibly sure that the wagon pusher is scum if the lynch target flips town? 

[Captain_Frisk]

I had a thought; maybe I am just super preoccupied with the "if we mislynch today, tomorrow is going to suck" but...

There are some cases on a good number of players.  I think for each of these players there is a person that was pushing these cases the most.  My thought is, for each of these pairs (lynch target/wagon pusher) is there one pair specifically where we can be incredibly sure that the wagon pusher is scum if the lynch target flips town?

Nope

[TheMunch]

Vote: Captain_Frisk

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote: Captain_Frisk

All I'm saying is that town can drive an incorrect wagon just as hard as scum can.

[Axxle]

Im vla till sunday which is the cause of some lurking.

[TheMunch]

Vote: Captain_Frisk

All I'm saying is that town can drive an incorrect wagon just as hard as scum can.

I dont think we disagree on that point.  Both town and scum can drive wagons.  I'm asking the question: is there a wagon where the person that drove it is more likely to be scum if the person they are driving flips town?  Which acknowledges that both town/scum can drive an incorrect wagon while attempting to choose a lynch target where if we mislynch we can know better where 1 scum is.

[ashersky]

Volt - why aren't you voting right now?

1.  I wanted to see your conclusions first.
2.  I wanted to see if Axxle remained as ignored as he appeared to me when I posted my reads.
3.  I wanted to confirm that everyone wants to lynch ash.

Vote: Axxle

ash is scummy, but appears to be SUCH an easy lynch* that I'm getting more and more uneasy about it.  I especially find it weird that, when pressured, ash announced Axxle/joth as scummy but decided to vote Frisk. 

I would like everyone to go on record with their reads on Axxle.  People are ignoring him, despite others (Qvist, me, now Frisk) commenting explicitly on how people are ignoring him.

On Axxle: I literally need to do a reread to get detailed opinions on him (which I don't have time for this holiday weekend), as he just doesn't stick out in any way.  That flying under the radar for so long does feel scummy.  He popped in to say he's got IRL V/LA though, but...I mean I just have nothing on him even from before.

That's scummy, I think.

As for voting Frisk, I've given my reasons often.  Not everyone may agree, but at least it's not random or sheeping.

[Eevee]

What do we make of everyone suspecting ashersky?

Doesn't really make me change my mind about joth though. Everyone, we need coordination to make a lynch happen now. Feel especially bad and guilty if you are town - your laziness makes it real easy for mafia to steer us towards a mislynch.

Deadline is looming, and the vote count is all over the place. I want jotheonah gone and strongly urge everyone to consider my case.

Translation: even though I said asher was the most scummy, and I'm on the record as generally agreeing with the philosophy that there are scum in this group, I'd rather lynch my other scum read.

Full case on Joth?

Bad translation. I still have faith in people getting behind joth, if not I'm very willing to contribute to either Axxle or ashersky lynch. I've posted my thoughts on joth so often now :/

[Captain_Frisk]

Do you see how this makes you look like scum trying to set up 2 mislynchrs?

[Captain_Frisk]

Was directed at the munch.

[TheMunch]

Do you see how this makes you look like scum trying to set up 2 mislynchrs?

I left it as an open question.  You stifled discussion.  Which do you think is scummier?

[TheMunch]

Ok, now we have 2 days to decide on a lynch.

[Eevee]

here's my number, lynch joth maybe.

[jotheonah]

Ok, now we have 2 days to decide on a lynch.

Eevee? Or ashersky?

Lets do the everyone lists lynch preferences top to bottom thing, maybe?

[TheMunch]

Ok, now we have 2 days to decide on a lynch.

Eevee? Or ashersky?

Lets do the everyone lists lynch preferences top to bottom thing, maybe?

I like this idea

1.  CF - He is really starting to scare me.  I am becoming increasingly sold on the theory that he is scum trying to drive town.
2.  Eevee - Unlike Yuma, his interactions today have not really increased my scum reads on him.
3.  Ashersky - He lost the town cred I gave him when I realized he acted the same way even when scum.  I dont like the way hes been dodging discussion even when present.
4.  Axxle - I'm going to sheep Volts read here.
5.  Yuma - Still up there on my scum reads but his interactions after he didn't get lynched have me very confused.  I really thought I had something with "Scum isn't hammering" but I am becoming frustratingly unsure.
6.  Joth - Joth is one that is a mystery to me.  I want to draw conclusions on Joth based on today/tonights flip.  Ask me again tomorrow.
7.  Qvist - See 6.
8.  Volt - Super towny to me.
9.  Munch - Obvtown.

[Eevee]

TheMunch, my interactions havent increased your scum read on me today.. yet i'm #2 on your list?

My drunken list, most willing to lynch to least willing to lynvh.
1. Joth
2. Ash
3. Axxle
4. Qvist
5. Frisk
6. munch
7. yuma
8. me


I probably forgot someone, but drunk yes yes.

[TheMunch]

TheMunch, my interactions havent increased your scum read on me today.. yet i'm #2 on your list?

My drunken list, most willing to lynch to least willing to lynvh.
1. Joth
2. Ash
3. Axxle
4. Qvist
5. Frisk
6. munch
7. yuma
8. me


I probably forgot someone, but drunk yes yes.

Sorry meant to say decreased; unlike what I noted in Yuma where his interactions have me confused, I still think you are scum (or at least I am less confused but could be equally wrong )

[Eevee]

I just dont get it. Originally you suspected me for defending yuma, i'm yet to see much other case and "eevee is scum because yuma is scum" is ofc a lousy reason to vote for me.

[TheMunch]

I just dont get it. Originally you suspected me for defending yuma, i'm yet to see much other case and "eevee is scum because yuma is scum" is ofc a lousy reason to vote for me.

I acknowledged my sleep deprived crusade was initially driven by the Yuma eevee scum pair.  However it was the way you defended yourself that rang scum independent of yumas alignment.