Dominion Strategy Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8  All

Author Topic: Bizarre bot strategies?  (Read 57054 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Titandrake

  • Mountebank
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2210
  • Respect: +2856
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #150 on: June 23, 2013, 08:38:45 pm »
0

Yes this is a definite issue with the bots, also seen them frequently with 3-4 Golems but only 2-3 other actions in deck!!!

That's not particularly bad unless the other actions are some useless things, which of course is likely since these are bots, but still. If you have two Knights, or two Possessions, &c., you don't want any more non-Golem action cards because they will only dilute the effectiveness of your Golems. Golem/Counting House even wants only one non-Golem action card.

The meanest deck I have ever made was a game with no +Actions, but strong attacks. I got my deck down to 1 Ghost Ship, 1 Torturer, and lots of Golems.

It was absurdly evil.
Logged
I have a blog! It's called Sorta Insightful. Check it out?

ponnuki

  • Steward
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 25
  • Respect: +30
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2013, 09:41:13 am »
0

It's a few days ago and I forgot the details, but it went something like this:

The bot's deck through whatever means had been reduced to Apprentice-Copper-2 or 3 Victory cards. The bot plays Apprentice, trashing a Copper, then buying a Copper. Next two turns the same, then I put it out of its misery by ending game.
Logged

florrat

  • Minion
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 542
  • Shuffle iT Username: florrat
  • Respect: +748
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #152 on: June 25, 2013, 12:19:14 pm »
+8

In this game, Warlord Bot has found a new way to make a golden deck: http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130625/log.510876c7e4b0ac7a7a0bb212.1372176538499.txt.

The idea is to make your deck so small that you can play a Warehouse to discard all but one card of your hand. Then you can play a Bishop to get 1 VP and you don't even have to trash a card. So you get 1 VP every turn, and there's no need to green at all! How good is that?

He made one small mistake though, in my 17th turn. Then he trashed one of his estates. After that he had to discard his whole hand with his Warehouse. But at that moment he had already played 9 turns with his mega golden deck, so not much could go wrong anymore.
Logged

Squidd

  • Golem
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 188
  • Respect: +604
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #153 on: July 02, 2013, 08:46:03 am »
+1

plays Worker's Village
plays Laboratory
plays Laboratory
plays Worker's Village
plays Doctor
   names Curse
   reveals Silver
plays Doctor
   names Curse
   reveals Silver
plays Doctor
   names Curse
   reveals Silver

NB: There were no Curses in the deck, there was no curser in the game.
Logged

A Drowned Kernel

  • 2015 World Champion
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1067
  • They/Them
  • Respect: +1980
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #154 on: July 02, 2013, 09:01:31 am »
+3

plays Worker's Village
plays Laboratory
plays Laboratory
plays Worker's Village
plays Doctor
   names Curse
   reveals Silver
plays Doctor
   names Curse
   reveals Silver
plays Doctor
   names Curse
   reveals Silver

NB: There were no Curses in the deck, there was no curser in the game.

Well obviously it didn't want to trash its silver, geez!
Logged
The perfect engine
But it will never go off
Three piles are empty

clb

  • Tactician
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 424
  • Respect: +182
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #155 on: July 04, 2013, 01:23:25 am »
+2

Fairly classic Bot strategy - build your deck to the point where it starts coming together, then trash your hand down to Apprentice, Apprentice, Copper. Trash a Copper and buy a Copper each turn while your opponent feels shameful for having thought it would be a good game.
http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130703/log.50f6bcf3e4b0b0719c33eb27.1372913521422.txt
Logged

Squidd

  • Golem
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 188
  • Respect: +604
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #156 on: July 12, 2013, 09:51:19 am »
0

Okay, V. Bot, you can continue buying Stonemason + double Hamlet over and over. I'll just be over here stockpiling Cities.
Logged

Tombolo

  • Tactician
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 439
  • Respect: +450
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #157 on: July 12, 2013, 04:27:55 pm »
+2

He had a funky little Advisor/Apprentice engine going, but it got kinda out of hand.  Here's his last turn:

Warlord Bot   plays Apprentice
Warlord Bot   trashes Copper
Warlord Bot   plays Apprentice
Warlord Bot   trashes Copper
Warlord Bot   buys Copper
Warlord Bot   gains Copper
Warlord Bot   shuffles deck
Warlord Bot   draws Apprentice, Copper, Apprentice

Yup, he trashed down to a three card deck.
Logged
We’ve had a hard day at work, we’ve been looking forward to our Dominion, how can you expect us to play anything else, you ogre.

Tombolo

  • Tactician
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 439
  • Respect: +450
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #158 on: July 12, 2013, 06:45:54 pm »
+4

...The bots surprise me sometimes.  I decided to see if I could get away with Contraband/FG, but the bot was smart enough to prohibit FG and I wound up shooting myself in the foot pretty badly!
« Last Edit: August 27, 2013, 11:26:46 am by ragingduckd »
Logged
We’ve had a hard day at work, we’ve been looking forward to our Dominion, how can you expect us to play anything else, you ogre.

A Drowned Kernel

  • 2015 World Champion
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1067
  • They/Them
  • Respect: +1980
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #159 on: July 24, 2013, 12:55:30 am »
+6

I was playing through the intrigue adventure and discovered to my horror that the bots are smart enough to realize that scout and wishing well "combo" but not smart enough to realize that it's not actually a good idea, which leads to some pretty long and painful games even on the fastest speed. And then I saw one do this:

Soldier   plays Scout
Soldier   reveals: Masquerade, Ironworks, Silver, Copper
Soldier   places Silver on top of deck
Soldier   places Masquerade on top of deck
Soldier   places Ironworks on top of deck
Soldier   places Copper on top of deck
Soldier   plays Scout
Soldier   reveals: Copper, Ironworks, Masquerade, Silver
Soldier   places Masquerade on top of deck
Soldier   places Silver on top of deck
Soldier   places Ironworks on top of deck
Soldier   places Copper on top of deck

It not only plays scout twice in a row to reveal the exact same four cards, but it puts them back in a different order the second time. I guess it changed its mind about what it wanted to draw next.

(Turn 19)
Logged
The perfect engine
But it will never go off
Three piles are empty

clb

  • Tactician
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 424
  • Respect: +182
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #160 on: August 26, 2013, 07:37:19 pm »
+1

This is totally dead horse (http://qkme.me/3vlvoh), but the Rats problem with the Bots is out of control. How hard would it be to give each Bot 2 lines of code: 1 that says do not ever buy a Rats and 2 that says do not ever play a Rats. If you wanted to get fancy, you could allow the Bots to trash Rats, but that might be more work than it's worth.

edit: most recent suffering of Bot-Rats (http://dominionlogs.goko.com//20130826/log.50f6bcf3e4b0b0719c33eb27.1377560408462.txt) (sorry, not pretified since I am at work).
« Last Edit: August 26, 2013, 07:41:24 pm by clb »
Logged

Krarks_pinky

  • Pearl Diver
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 11
  • Respect: +11
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #161 on: August 26, 2013, 08:10:53 pm »
+3

Bot playbook:

1. Open young witch no matter what. Get 2 or 3 or even more.
2. Cursers are better than anything else in a kingdom.
3. Play as many warehouses as you can each turn, maybe your opponent will quit from boredom.
4. Open potion as a top priority, even if it's only to get a golem or philosopher stone.
5. Piles getting a bit low? Better start greening, even if it's just a duchy.
6. Trash for benefit / remodeling is probably pretty good, just go for it and see what happens.
Logged

Wrclass

  • Young Witch
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 132
  • Dominion is the best game ever
  • Respect: +110
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #162 on: August 27, 2013, 09:40:49 am »
0

Bot playbook:

1. Open young witch no matter what. Get 2 or 3 or even more.
2. Cursers are better than anything else in a kingdom.
3. Play as many warehouses as you can each turn, maybe your opponent will quit from boredom.
4. Open potion as a top priority, even if it's only to get a golem or philosopher stone.
5. Piles getting a bit low? Better start greening, even if it's just a duchy.
6. Trash for benefit / remodeling is probably pretty good, just go for it and see what happens.

I have only the base set, but I definitely noticed 2, 5 and 6
Logged
I play Lookout, revealing a Fortress, a Tunnel and a Gold.

DG

  • Governor
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4074
  • Respect: +2624
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #163 on: August 27, 2013, 01:08:21 pm »
+1

The duchy purchasing strategy for the bots is based on 3 or 4 player games. Buying duchies when one pile is empty seems much more reasonable in that setting. The bots also follow very similar purchasing rules so together they can empty piles making early duchies more valuable.
Logged

clb

  • Tactician
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 424
  • Respect: +182
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #164 on: August 27, 2013, 02:45:12 pm »
0

The duchy purchasing strategy for the bots is based on 3 or 4 player games. Buying duchies when one pile is empty seems much more reasonable in that setting. The bots also follow very similar purchasing rules so together they can empty piles making early duchies more valuable.

I have been the victim of Bot-group-think. If everyone is doing the same bad idea, your idea has to be a LOT better or else you're better off just rolling the dice and hoping that you can do their bad idea better (luckier).
Logged

ragingduckd

  • Board Moderator
  • *
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1059
  • Respect: +3527
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #165 on: August 27, 2013, 04:53:24 pm »
+1

How hard would it be to give each Bot 2 lines of code: 1 that says do not ever buy a Rats and 2 that says do not ever play a Rats.

Judging by this month's Goko "update," it's probably about 3-4 days hard.
Logged
Salvager Extension | Isotropish Leaderboard | Game Data | Log Search & other toys | Salvager Bug Reports

Salvager not working for me at all today. ... Please help! I can't go back to playing without it like an animal!

Beyond Awesome

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2941
  • Shuffle iT Username: Beyond Awesome
  • Respect: +2466
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #166 on: August 27, 2013, 09:22:24 pm »
+1

The duchy purchasing strategy for the bots is based on 3 or 4 player games. Buying duchies when one pile is empty seems much more reasonable in that setting. The bots also follow very similar purchasing rules so together they can empty piles making early duchies more valuable.

I have been the victim of Bot-group-think. If everyone is doing the same bad idea, your idea has to be a LOT better or else you're better off just rolling the dice and hoping that you can do their bad idea better (luckier).

Yah, it's called Adventures.
Logged

pst

  • Minion
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 584
  • Respect: +906
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #167 on: September 27, 2013, 01:22:28 pm »
+5

In this game Lord Bottington bought four potions! The only Potion cost card was Transmute, so we wondered what he needed all those Potions for. (He never got any Transmutes at all by the way, or used the Potions in any other way.)
Logged

florrat

  • Minion
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 542
  • Shuffle iT Username: florrat
  • Respect: +748
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #168 on: October 19, 2013, 11:39:11 pm »
+7

Wow, this might have been the worst strategy a bot has played against me:

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20131019/log.510876c7e4b0ac7a7a0bb212.1382239938990.txt

- Buying 5 Conspirators, without having a single non-terminal card at any time during the game (except Ruined Villages)
- Buying Duchy on the first and second time it reached $5 (turn 6 and 8, while Cultist was on the board)
- Buying first Cultist while there were just 2 Ruins left
- Buying Potion on a board with only Transmute, but not on turn 1 or 2.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 11:43:01 pm by florrat »
Logged

Puddleglumm

  • Steward
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 27
  • Respect: +38
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #169 on: November 13, 2013, 10:52:38 am »
+3

A few days ago Warlord Bot constructed this fantastic, exploding, do-nothing engine out of Universities, Ghost Ships, Advisors, Warehouses, and Moats. (Well, one thing it was doing was Ghost Shipping me every turn) It was always discarding coppers with it's Warehouses, so it could never afford more than a University, and each turn it was gaining multiple "engine" parts with it's existing universities. I present to you Turn 20, in which Warlord Bot plays 28 actions, gains 1 Ghost ship and 5 copies of Traders via University, apparently setting of it's internal piledriving alarm along the way, decides it's time to start greening and ... buys an estate. Maybe next turn it was going for the coveted Trader Megaturn and was going to Trader 5 Ghost ships into 25 silver?
 
Warlord Bot: turn 20
----------
Warlord Bot - plays Advisor
Warlord Bot - reveals: Moat, Warehouse, Copper
Puddleglumm - discards Moat
Warlord Bot - places cards in hand: Warehouse, Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Advisor
Warlord Bot - reveals: Warehouse, University, Warehouse
Puddleglumm - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - places cards in hand: Warehouse, University
Warlord Bot - plays University
Warlord Bot - gains Ghost Ship
Warlord Bot - plays Ghost Ship
Puddleglumm - reveals reaction Moat
Warlord Bot - draws Advisor, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Peddler, University, Ghost Ship
Warlord Bot - discards Estate Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - plays University
Warlord Bot - gains Trader
Warlord Bot - plays Advisor
Warlord Bot - reveals: Warehouse, Advisor, University
Puddleglumm - discards Warehouse
Warlord Bot - places cards in hand: Advisor, University
Warlord Bot - plays University
Warlord Bot - gains Trader
Warlord Bot - plays Advisor
Warlord Bot - reveals: Advisor, Advisor, Copper
Puddleglumm - discards Advisor
Warlord Bot - places cards in hand: Advisor, Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Advisor
Warlord Bot - reveals: Copper, Advisor, Copper
Puddleglumm - discards Advisor
Warlord Bot - places cards in hand: Copper, Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Peddler
Warlord Bot - draws Ghost Ship
Warlord Bot - plays Ghost Ship
Puddleglumm - reveals reaction Moat
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse, Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Ghost Ship
Puddleglumm - reveals reaction Moat
Warlord Bot - draws Ghost Ship, Potion
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Moat, University, Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - plays University
Warlord Bot - gains Trader
Warlord Bot - plays Ghost Ship
Puddleglumm - reveals reaction Moat
Warlord Bot - draws University, Estate
Warlord Bot - plays University
Warlord Bot - gains Trader
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse, Copper, Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Moat
Warlord Bot - draws University, Ghost Ship
Warlord Bot - plays University
Warlord Bot - gains Trader
Warlord Bot - plays Ghost Ship
Puddleglumm - reveals reaction Moat
Warlord Bot - draws Estate, Ghost Ship
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Copper, Warehouse
Warlord Bot - shuffles deck
Warlord Bot - draws Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Estate, Trader, Moat
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Moat
Warlord Bot - discards Trader
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Estate, Warehouse, Trader
Warlord Bot - discards Estate
Warlord Bot - discards Trader
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Warehouse
Warlord Bot - draws Copper, Advisor, Advisor
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Copper
Warlord Bot - discards Potion
Warlord Bot - plays Advisor
Warlord Bot - reveals: Copper, Trader, Copper
Puddleglumm - discards Trader
Warlord Bot - places cards in hand: Copper, Copper
Warlord Bot - plays Advisor
Warlord Bot - reveals: Estate, Estate, Trader
Puddleglumm - discards Trader
Warlord Bot - places cards in hand: Estate, Estate
Warlord Bot - plays Ghost Ship
Puddleglumm - reveals reaction Moat
Warlord Bot - draws Warehouse, Ghost Ship
Warlord Bot - plays 2 Copper
Warlord Bot - buys Estate
Warlord Bot - gains Estate
Warlord Bot - draws Trader, Copper
Warlord Bot - shuffles deck
Warlord Bot - draws Advisor, Copper, Advisor
 
 
Embarassingly, I was more or less buying the same cards to no useful end, just with enough common sense to get some treasure here and there, which enabled me to snag a few Dutchies when I saw where Warlord Bot's engine was heading.
 
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 10:53:45 am by Puddleglumm »
Logged

Puddleglumm

  • Steward
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 27
  • Respect: +38
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #170 on: November 13, 2013, 10:58:14 am »
0

Bot playbook:
3. Play as many warehouses as you can each turn, maybe your opponent will quit from boredom.
4. Open potion as a top priority, even if it's only to get a golem or philosopher stone.
These two crack me up! Once I saw a bot randomly buy a potion in the middle of the game so it could pick up an apothecary. I guess bots love useless cantrips so much they're willing to acquire potions mid-game to get them.  ;D
Logged

eHalcyon

  • Adventurer
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 8689
  • Respect: +9187
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #171 on: November 13, 2013, 04:39:21 pm »
+2

Bot playbook:
3. Play as many warehouses as you can each turn, maybe your opponent will quit from boredom.
4. Open potion as a top priority, even if it's only to get a golem or philosopher stone.
These two crack me up! Once I saw a bot randomly buy a potion in the middle of the game so it could pick up an apothecary. I guess bots love useless cantrips so much they're willing to acquire potions mid-game to get them.  ;D

Apothecary is far from useless, but getting them mid-game usually isn't a great idea.
Logged

Puddleglumm

  • Steward
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 27
  • Respect: +38
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #172 on: November 13, 2013, 06:18:03 pm »
0

Bot playbook:
3. Play as many warehouses as you can each turn, maybe your opponent will quit from boredom.
4. Open potion as a top priority, even if it's only to get a golem or philosopher stone.
These two crack me up! Once I saw a bot randomly buy a potion in the middle of the game so it could pick up an apothecary. I guess bots love useless cantrips so much they're willing to acquire potions mid-game to get them.  ;D

Apothecary is far from useless, but getting them mid-game usually isn't a great idea.

Of course you're correct, I was more trying to point out the ridiculousness of buying your first potion mid-game just to get an apothecary- the deck is already thick, and the apothecary it would buy can only come 2 shuffles later, at which point hitting even 1 copper with it would probably be a nice outcome.
Logged

Schneau

  • Saboteur
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1174
  • Shuffle iT Username: Schneau
  • Respect: +1461
    • View Profile
    • Rainwave
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #173 on: November 13, 2013, 07:25:14 pm »
0

The Goko bots go bonkers when stonemason and cantrips are on the board. Occasionally they will pull a nifty 3-pile ending, using the stonemasons to trash for VP at the last minute, but often they will just build a deck full of lighthouses and spies. I recommend "Stonemason, All" against bots for your entertainment needs.  :P

I took this advice from another thread, and forced Stonemason and Rats, with the rest random. The remaining cards created a kind of Bot Paradise, with many favorites such as Warehouse, Oasis, and Alchemist. So, after Villager Bot opened Silver/Potion/Potion, I Embargoed Alchemist, and VB decided to switch strategies into mass Warehouse. I was a bit disappointed VB never picked up a Rats, but it still managed to rarely get even $5.
Logged

Puddleglumm

  • Steward
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 27
  • Respect: +38
    • View Profile
Re: Bizarre bot strategies?
« Reply #174 on: November 13, 2013, 09:28:00 pm »
0

The Goko bots go bonkers when stonemason and cantrips are on the board. Occasionally they will pull a nifty 3-pile ending, using the stonemasons to trash for VP at the last minute, but often they will just build a deck full of lighthouses and spies. I recommend "Stonemason, All" against bots for your entertainment needs.  :P

I took this advice from another thread, and forced Stonemason and Rats, with the rest random. The remaining cards created a kind of Bot Paradise, with many favorites such as Warehouse, Oasis, and Alchemist. So, after Villager Bot opened Silver/Potion/Potion, I Embargoed Alchemist, and VB decided to switch strategies into mass Warehouse. I was a bit disappointed VB never picked up a Rats, but it still managed to rarely get even $5.

Villager Bot   overpays for Stonemason with 3 coins
Villager Bot   gains Warehouse
Villager Bot   gains Warehouse
Villager Bot   gains Stonemason

This is the quintessential villager bot play!  ;D ;D ;D
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8  All
 

Page created in 1.706 seconds with 21 queries.