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[Captain_Frisk]

Are you rolefishing?

[Robz888]

Any other doctors out there? We can only have 1.

Not true: go read.

Oh Lord, you're right. Sorry! I assumed there could only be 1. And really... it would be nutty to have two doctors. They could just protect each other forever.

[Robz888]

We do need to know who you protected though, Cuzz.

[Insomniac]

I'm finding this doctor claim hard to believe especially with how easy a claim it is to fake as scum and the delay in claiming, the delay in claiming targets etc.

[Insomniac]

I still want to unvote for now though as Cuzz is offline.

[Robz888]

I'm finding this doctor claim hard to believe especially with how easy a claim it is to fake as scum and the delay in claiming, the delay in claiming targets etc.

I think so too, but I wanted to wait for him to explain himself before speculating about that.

[jotheonah]

I have to admit, I'm even starting to think Cuzz looks like a caught scum. Which means I have to eat a lot of crow, possibly.

[Robz888]

I have to admit, I'm even starting to think Cuzz looks like a caught scum. Which means I have to eat a lot of crow, possibly.

If he does turn out to be scum, we will be in really good shape. Setting aside Serial Killer concerns for a moment, I think a scum Cuzz flip would essentially acquit Frisk and Insomniac, pivotal voters who made the Cuzz wagon the dominant one. It will be harder to see Grujah as scum, though not impossible since I was putting a lot of pressure on him and Cuzz might have been trying to bus him before I switched my vote. I'm sure I wouldn't be acquitted in any one's view, since this is exactly the kind of craziness I would be capable of if I were Cuzz's scummate.

But anyway, I will think it likely that there must be some scum not voting Cuzz, possibly in the theorel/sparky department. Jo does read town to me still. O-Cuzz is not at all impossible.

[Robz888]

Regarding the claim--which he really needs to explain more fully--Doctor is of course the first choice of fake roleclaims.

[jotheonah]

My O case is a lot weaker if you're not scum though, Robz. Because the only possible reason for his quickhammer I can think of was to save you, which he would only do if you were his teammate.

[jotheonah]

Regarding the claim--which he really needs to explain more fully--Doctor is of course the first choice of fake roleclaims.

Better than cop, which lets you mess with the town? Better than vig?

[Captain_Frisk]

Regarding the claim--which he really needs to explain more fully--Doctor is of course the first choice of fake roleclaims.

Better than cop, which lets you mess with the town? Better than vig?

Has nobody read the setup?

[Robz888]

My O case is a lot weaker if you're not scum though, Robz. Because the only possible reason for his quickhammer I can think of was to save you, which he would only do if you were his teammate.

I did not need saving, nor would O have tried to save me if we were scum partners.

[Insomniac]

Regarding the claim--which he really needs to explain more fully--Doctor is of course the first choice of fake roleclaims.

Better than cop, which lets you mess with the town? Better than vig?

Has nobody read the setup?

I've read it.

@Jo Even if there could be a cop it's better than doctor and vig.

Reasons claiming cop is bad: If you live through the night people will be super suspicious and the longer you live the more you'll be expected to out a team member. If you ever report false information your dead.

Reasons claiming vig is bad: It's easily provable if you actually have a kill, you will be expected to direct it, and there could be a serial killer and vig is the go to claim of an SK.

[Cuzz]

Back guys. I was stalling because I was very wishful in thinking I might be able to avoid having to claim and potentially survive the night, but decided that was too much to hope for. I also didn't realize that others thought it was so imperative to claim the second I got to L-1. Frisk was there for like 2 whole rl days in MX before his fake cop claim. Thanks for the unvote anyway, Insom.

N1 I protected my best town read, which was of course Eevee. We all see how that turned out (and I was debating between him and cayvie of course...). No major breadcrumbing but a few mild ones:

Targeting a hider in any regard is ineffective.

This was on my mind at the time, of course, because I had been confused as to how Eevee could have died, so I double-checked the rules carefully.

Along the same lines (emphasis added):

You're so good at knowing what the scum were thinking, Cuzz.

Dude, theorel came up with this first (below), as I said. I wouldn't have caught it on my own (and I certainly didn't pick up on Eevee being the hider; I thought maybe it was theorel for broaching the subject in the first place).

I know it's nothing too convincing, but it's all I've got. I was also under the impression that doc's were supposed to play semi-scummy to avoid the NK, which explains some of my behavior, but I clearly went too far for it to come to this.

Major FoS on anyone on my wagon who does not believe my claim. There is scum among this crowd, I assure you.

[Captain_Frisk]

Why did you have a town read on Eevee?

[Cuzz]

Why did you have a town read on Eevee?

Mostly his reaction to the O hammer. Seemed genuine to me. Also the level-headed avoidance of the pps wagon to some degree.

Oh wait thats the hammer!!

Oh O WHAT U DOING BUDDY?

[Captain_Frisk]

I'm just surprised, because eevee was a major scum read to me... just waiting for an "I Told You So" on the pps lynch. 

I suppose he played the same way in M7 though, defending me from lynch day 1.

[Robz888]

Here's the one that acquits you even more, I think. (Emphasis added)

Two of the people who died were seriously voting for Sparky last night.

I don't think this means too much. Eevee only died because someone tried to kill ashersky (in all likelihood), and the ashersky/cayvie kills couldn't have come from the same faction.

Speaking of which...

Also, I don't think this confirms SK, but makes it far more likely.

Ashersky was a Vig, so it's possible he offed her last night. But cayvie seemed pretty town to me so idk why she would have been the NK choice for a Vig.

So, yeah, you clearly express a better and earlier understanding of why Eevee died than the rest of us do, which now makes sense.

[Robz888]

Unvote

[Robz888]

I was really prepared to disbelieve this claim, but your entire tone at the beginning of today very much fits you being the Doctor. I think you would have had to say those things with the clear mindset of planning to be Doctor, which is practically impossible, because it sounds perfectly natural right after Day 2 begins. You barely have any time to react to the kills, and you're reacting the way the doctor clearly would.

Bah. I think it's convincing, right? Go back and look at him at the beginning of Day 2. His reaction is exactly the reaction of a Doctor who tried to save Eevee and is working out why Eevee is dead.

[Insomniac]

I also am liable to believe this claim. So I'll just go back to Vote: Robz

[Captain_Frisk]

So RobZ, do you believe Cuzz that there is scum on the wagon? 

[Robz888]

So RobZ, do you believe Cuzz that there is scum on the wagon? 

Probably, yes. I am going back to Vote: Grujah

[Captain_Frisk]

@RobZ - what are your thoughts on Insomniac?