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[Watno]

Mine
Masquerade
Ironworks
Trading Post
Explorer
Tournament
Ill Gotten Gains
Beggar

[AJD]

Torturer?

I might call Masquerade an honorable mention here, if I'm right. Fortress could also be an honorable mention.

[HiveMindEmulator]

The problem with the "which of these things is not like the others" puzzles, is that usually you can pick any of them and have a reasonably good explanation

Ironworks is the only one that can't put a card that was not in your deck into you hand.
Masquerade is the only one that doesn't gain.
Tournament is the only one that can't get a basic treasure.
Ill-Gotten Gains is the only one that's not an action.
...

[AJD]

The problem with the "which of these things is not like the others" puzzles

I think you misread the title of the thread. This is a what's-missing puzzle.

[Watno]

@AJD I think you're on the right track, but not quite there.

@HME It's a What's missing, but i wanted to word it differently.

[HiveMindEmulator]

The problem with the "which of these things is not like the others" puzzles

I think you misread the title of the thread. This is a what's-missing puzzle.

Ah. Damn my scrambled brain. In that case, Jack-of-All-Trades?

[Watno]

Right.

[Davio]

Why is Ironworks in there and why would Jack be right?

I thought the common denominator was: Cards that gain/pass treasure cards to your hand, but the mentioned cards do this another way.


IW gains the card, but gives you $1
Jack gains the Silver to your discard

[Watno]

The common quality is that all those cards can put a card in your hand that you didn't have before when you play them, regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom.

[HiveMindEmulator]

Yeah, Treasure is not required, or Ironworks would not be on the list. It's just that most gain-to-hand stuff is treasures, because that makes for the most sensible cards. Ironworks can get a card in you hand if you have an empty draw pile and it's a victory card, and Jack can also similarly get the Silver in hand with An empty or 1-card draw pile.

[wuthefwasthat]

The common quality is that all those cards can put a card in your hand that you didn't have before when you play them, regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom.

I don't think Ironworks fits that bill.  You have to assume that either there is:  a $4 or less Kingdom VP, a cost reduction card, trashing, or a Dark Ages card (so we start with Shelters). 

Edit:  Oops, I was misinterpreting "a card that you didn't have before" as a card differently named than everything in your deck (in which case IGG and Beggar wouldn't work either)

[Schneau]

The common quality is that all those cards can put a card in your hand that you didn't have before when you play them, regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom.

I don't think Ironworks fits that bill.  You have to assume that either there is:  a $4 or less Kingdom VP, a cost reduction card, trashing, or a Dark Ages card (so we start with Shelters).

With an empty draw pile, I play Ironworks to gain an Estate. I reshuffle, and draw the Estate into my hand.

[dondon151]

Edit:  Oops, I was misinterpreting "a card that you didn't have before" as a card differently named than everything in your deck (in which case IGG and Beggar wouldn't work either)

How wouldn't they work? Trash all of the Coppers in your deck first.

[HiveMindEmulator]

Edit:  Oops, I was misinterpreting "a card that you didn't have before" as a card differently named than everything in your deck (in which case IGG and Beggar wouldn't work either)

How wouldn't they work? Trash all of the Coppers in your deck first.

Because Watno specified "regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom."

[Rabid]

Doesn't this logic exclude Ironworks from the set?

[Dsell]

Doesn't this logic exclude Ironworks from the set?

If there are no cards in the deck and discard, Ironworks can gain a victory card and immediately draw it.

Edit: added spoilers.

[Rabid]

Yes but doesn't ""regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom."
Mean it is impossible to guarantee having both empty deck and discard.

[Dsell]

Yes but doesn't ""regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom."
Mean it is impossible to guarantee having both empty deck and discard.

Ah, good point. Yeah I suppose with no trashing, drawing, or villages it's not possible to get that condition.

[HiveMindEmulator]

You don't need to guarantee it, it just needs to be possible. If you draw pile is empty (even if the discard is not), the Estate can shuffle to the top.

[Rabid]

Ah of course, knew I must be missing something, but couldn't figure it out.

[wuthefwasthat]

The common quality is that all those cards can put a card in your hand that you didn't have before when you play them, regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom.

I would nominate Black Market as an honorable mention. 

It's true that regardless of what the actual Kingdom is, it's possible to gain a new card in hand.  But the "can" is across games, not just turns, because you need the right Black Market deck. 

First, assume Horn of Plenty, Watchtower, and Rats/Cultist are all in the Black Market deck.  Then, we can have the following turn:  Play Black Market, playing Gold and Horn of Plenty.  Horn of Plenty for an Estate, revealing a Watchtower to topdeck.  From Black Market, buy Rats/Cultist.  Trash it to Watchtower, to draw the Estate.

It's also fine if Horn of Plenty or Watchtower was a Kingdom card.  However, it's bad if both Rats and Cultist are in the Kingdom, but Horn of Plenty isn't.  Then we can't draw the new card off the Black Market, so we need to play two Horn of Plenties.  Luckily, Counterfeit comes to the rescue... (from the Black Market deck, if not in supply).  Mandarin + Villages + Draw also works. 

[Watno]

Wow, that one is nice.
Seems my wording still had a loophole.

If someone is looking for a challenge, find all cards able if you can choose the kingdom, except for the fact that Fortress mustn't be in it.

[AJD]

The common quality is that all those cards can put a card in your hand that you didn't have before when you play them, regardless of what other cards are in the kingdom.

I would nominate Black Market as an honorable mention.   [/spoiler]

...Eh. In that example, Cultist is putting a card in hand that you didn't have before you played Black Market. There's no "X puts card in hand that you didn't have before playing X" situation going on.

[ehunt]

Why not followers

[HiveMindEmulator]

Why not followers

Because you draw before you gain the Estate