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[Insomniac]

Man, I think mafia prefer to kill PRs, not VTs.  That's the "power" of the Innocent Child--they survive most of the game since we won't lynch them and they don't get NKed.  Say there are 10 living town that includes a doc, cop, JK, and ic.  Mafia want to kill the other PRs, and have a 1/9 chance because they can rule out the IC.  That's why I won't be NKed, it's a waste of a kill.  And if they do kill me, it's good for town, since I soak up the NK and PRs get another day.

Make sense yet?

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

[Axxle]

The heck? That's a complete backpedal to what you said before, which was a complete backpedal to something you said earlier than that.  I thought you said you knew for sure that it was regarding ashersky after hinting that it could also apply to shraeye.

[Axxle]

The heck? That's a complete backpedal to what you said before, which was a complete backpedal to something you said earlier than that.  I thought you said you knew for sure that it was regarding ashersky after hinting that it could also apply to shraeye.

Above is directed toward Cuzz, obviously.

[cayvie]

Man, I think mafia prefer to kill PRs, not VTs.  That's the "power" of the Innocent Child--they survive most of the game since we won't lynch them and they don't get NKed.  Say there are 10 living town that includes a doc, cop, JK, and ic.  Mafia want to kill the other PRs, and have a 1/9 chance because they can rule out the IC.  That's why I won't be NKed, it's a waste of a kill.  And if they do kill me, it's good for town, since I soak up the NK and PRs get another day.

Make sense yet?

no

[cayvie]

The heck? That's a complete backpedal to what you said before, which was a complete backpedal to something you said earlier than that.  I thought you said you knew for sure that it was regarding ashersky after hinting that it could also apply to shraeye.

oooh

linky me? im at work

[Dsell]

Man, I think mafia prefer to kill PRs, not VTs.  That's the "power" of the Innocent Child--they survive most of the game since we won't lynch them and they don't get NKed.  Say there are 10 living town that includes a doc, cop, JK, and ic.  Mafia want to kill the other PRs, and have a 1/9 chance because they can rule out the IC.  That's why I won't be NKed, it's a waste of a kill.  And if they do kill me, it's good for town, since I soak up the NK and PRs get another day.

Make sense yet?

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

Agreed. Confirmed townies are like the worst thing for mafia.

[Axxle]

The heck? That's a complete backpedal to what you said before, which was a complete backpedal to something you said earlier than that.  I thought you said you knew for sure that it was regarding ashersky after hinting that it could also apply to shraeye.

oooh

linky me? im at work

I'll try to find it.  I'm at work too, heh.

Unvote

[Insomniac]

Man, I think mafia prefer to kill PRs, not VTs.  That's the "power" of the Innocent Child--they survive most of the game since we won't lynch them and they don't get NKed.  Say there are 10 living town that includes a doc, cop, JK, and ic.  Mafia want to kill the other PRs, and have a 1/9 chance because they can rule out the IC.  That's why I won't be NKed, it's a waste of a kill.  And if they do kill me, it's good for town, since I soak up the NK and PRs get another day.

Make sense yet?

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

Vote: ashersky

[cayvie]

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

Vote: ashersky

Hm, really?

I think ash is wrong, but I don't think that's a scumtell.

[Axxle]

Ok, so as for clarification, I now know which out of ashersky and shraeye the information I received applies to.

So to reiterate: I can confirm one of them as town, and have absolutely no information on the other. The other could be scum, VT or paranoid gun owner for all I know.

But maybe I'll leave off the key detail for now, until I get more feedback. Let me know if you think I should do this yet or wait.

[Insomniac]

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

Vote: ashersky

Hm, really?

I think ash is wrong, but I don't think that's a scumtell.

Yes, he is wrong and I think itll help us solve this Cuzz/Shraeye/Ash business.

[shraeye]

Ok, so as for clarification, I now know which out of ashersky and shraeye the information I received applies to.

So to reiterate: I can confirm one of them as town, and have absolutely no information on the other. The other could be scum, VT or paranoid gun owner for all I know.

But maybe I'll leave off the key detail for now, until I get more feedback. Let me know if you think I should do this yet or wait.

As I recall, Cuzz came to believe his info only applied to ahsersky because he misunderstood a statement I had made about my description.  Since then I clarified that statement, and then got the thread locked.  Now I think Cuzz is realizing that he misunderstood me when I said "my description is really descriptive" or something to that point (he thought I meant that there was a lot of words and interesting bits in it, and I just meant that anyone who read is could instantly tell what I was).

[Cuzz]

The heck? That's a complete backpedal to what you said before, which was a complete backpedal to something you said earlier than that.  I thought you said you knew for sure that it was regarding ashersky after hinting that it could also apply to shraeye.

I don't think it's a complete backpedal. I'm trying to use language that does not imply more certainty than I have, which I regrettably did not do from the start. I'm also no longer trying to hide my role at all, which was the motivation for the sketchy way I first released the info. My most recent post is an accurate description of what happened. To fill in more detail, the reason I thought the description applied to ashersky was because shraeye made a comment like "my description is pretty descriptive." I interpreted that to imply "detailed and wordy" which did not apply to the description I'd read. Shraeye later countered that he actually meant "descriptive" to mean "
quite reflective of my role." Which maybe could apply. So who knows. Decide for yourself.

[cayvie]

Hm, really?

I think ash is wrong, but I don't think that's a scumtell.

Yes, he is wrong and I think itll help us solve this Cuzz/Shraeye/Ash business.

How?

What will it tell us about Cuzz and Shraeye if we lynch Ash and he comes up scum?
What will it tell us about them if he comes up town?

The problem here is that it's eminently possible that all three are town. This is not a group with a guaranteed # of scum in it.

[ashersky]

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

Vote: ashersky

Hm, really?

I think ash is wrong, but I don't think that's a scumtell.

Yes, he is wrong and I think itll help us solve this Cuzz/Shraeye/Ash business.

Tell me in what possible game mafia prefer to leave doc/cop/JK etc. alive over a VT?

[cayvie]

IC != VT

[Insomniac]

IC != VT

^^ This.

[Cuzz]

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

Vote: ashersky

Hm, really?

I think ash is wrong, but I don't think that's a scumtell.

Yes, he is wrong and I think itll help us solve this Cuzz/Shraeye/Ash business.

Tell me in what possible game mafia prefer to leave doc/cop/JK etc. alive over a VT?

Your point only makes sense if there's claimed PRs, and even then, without counterclaim. Mafia can't have townies running around who everyone knows is town, otherwise the pool of townies around them that they can try to frame as mafia shrinks.

[ashersky]

IC != VT

I thought the entire premise of IC was that they were a mod confirmed VT?

[cayvie]

IC != VT

I thought the entire premise of IC was that they were a mod confirmed VT?

mod confirmation IS A POWER

[ashersky]

not at all. Mafia absolutely shoot IC's. They can't have confirmed townies running around.

Vote: ashersky

Hm, really?

I think ash is wrong, but I don't think that's a scumtell.

Yes, he is wrong and I think itll help us solve this Cuzz/Shraeye/Ash business.

Tell me in what possible game mafia prefer to leave doc/cop/JK etc. alive over a VT?

Your point only makes sense if there's claimed PRs, and even then, without counterclaim. Mafia can't have townies running around who everyone knows is town, otherwise the pool of townies around them that they can try to frame as mafia shrinks.

You think this is a VT only game?  Look at my example again.  I was talking about narrowing the pool of townies to possible PRs.  It's like taking investigations into account without having to investigate someone.

[Young Nick]

IC != VT

I thought the entire premise of IC was that they were a mod confirmed VT?

Exactly. But when they are IC, no one has to guess whether they are trying to buddy-up or bus or anything like that. Their reads might suck, but they are genuine and they are pro-town. A VT has the same reads, we just can't trust them as much because we don't know they are town for sure.

[ashersky]

IC != VT

I thought the entire premise of IC was that they were a mod confirmed VT?

mod confirmation IS A POWER

Passive, informative power with no night actions that can only vote.  How many IC cops have you played as?

[Cuzz]

This discussion is in no way helping us lynch scum.

[Young Nick]

Chickenvote: O.

Oops, wrong game.

Still voting for him, though.