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Knights vs Rogues!

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- 13 (41.9%)
Rogues
- 18 (58.1%)

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Knights vs Rogues!
« on: August 16, 2012, 04:55:56 pm »
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OK, so we have a "rate the knights" poll, so I figured I'd make a "Knights vs Rogues" topic!

 Rogue
 $5
 +$2
 If there are any cards in the trash costing from $3 to $6, gain one of them. Otherwise, each other player reveals then discards the top 2 cards of his deck, and trashes one of them costing from $3 to $6.
  Action — Attack

Knight: (each has a unique name)
 $5 (except for one of them)
 (minor bonus: +$2, or +2 cards, or +2 actions, or +1 card +1 action, or +2 buys, or "worth 2 vp", or "when you trash this, gain a gold", or something else I think)
 Each other player discards the top 2 cards of his deck, and trashes one of them costing from $3 to $6. If a Knight is trashed by this, trash this card.
  Action — Attack — Knight

 
They both have a trashing attack, but Rogue prefers to gain things that were previously trashed and Knight only trashes. Rogues give a consistent bonus whereas Knights are unpredictable.

One play of Rogue cancels out one play of Knight, but Knights can whiff and give Rogues a chance to counterattack.

Which is better?

 
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 05:02:28 pm »
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In b4 "depends on the kingdom"
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 05:04:25 pm »
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I like that Rogues can resurrect slain Knights.  Medieval zombies!
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 05:04:41 pm »
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Rogue seems like they are prone to give you a nasty infestation of Rats.
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 05:28:36 pm »
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 05:34:25 pm »
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In b4 "depends on the kingdom"

Depends on the kingdom.
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 05:37:18 pm »
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A Rogue can kill a Rogue without dying, but if a Knight kills a Knight, it dies. Plus Rogue can get Knights and Rogues back from the trash. So I think Rogue should win.
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 05:59:47 pm »
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A Rogue can kill a Rogue without dying, but if a Knight kills a Knight, it dies. Plus Rogue can get Knights and Rogues back from the trash. So I think Rogue should win.

But if there are any $3-$6 cards in the trash, you HAVE to gain them and can't attack instead.  If a Rat was trashed earlier, it's coming after your Rogue.  Also Scout.  So Rogue's attack is much less consistent.
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 06:28:48 pm »
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A Rogue can kill a Rogue without dying, but if a Knight kills a Knight, it dies. Plus Rogue can get Knights and Rogues back from the trash. So I think Rogue should win.

But if there are any $3-$6 cards in the trash, you HAVE to gain them and can't attack instead.  If a Rat was trashed earlier, it's coming after your Rogue.  Also Scout.  So Rogue's attack is much less consistent.
Gaining scouts just like that sounds borderline overpowered to me.
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 06:59:01 pm »
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I think I know this one. You ask one of them which door the other one would reccomend, thus forcing the same piece of information to pass through the minds of both an honest knight and a lying rogue, so that way you can… wait, what was the question again?
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 07:23:43 pm »
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A Rogue can kill a Rogue without dying, but if a Knight kills a Knight, it dies. Plus Rogue can get Knights and Rogues back from the trash. So I think Rogue should win.

But if there are any $3-$6 cards in the trash, you HAVE to gain them and can't attack instead.  If a Rat was trashed earlier, it's coming after your Rogue.  Also Scout.  So Rogue's attack is much less consistent.
Gaining scouts just like that sounds borderline overpowered to me.

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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 07:32:10 pm »
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A Rogue can kill a Rogue without dying, but if a Knight kills a Knight, it dies. Plus Rogue can get Knights and Rogues back from the trash. So I think Rogue should win.

But if there are any $3-$6 cards in the trash, you HAVE to gain them and can't attack instead.  If a Rat was trashed earlier, it's coming after your Rogue.  Also Scout.  So Rogue's attack is much less consistent.
Gaining scouts just like that sounds borderline overpowered to me.
I'm not sure if it's that op. I mean, it is a 2-card combo and besides, who would trash a scout for you to gain it. Sure, you may think that rogue would do this but your opponent would probably rather trash his revealed gold than scout(given the option) and your opponent can stock up on like 10 moats to negate this attack
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Re: Knights vs Rogues!
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2012, 08:41:16 pm »
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In general, I think that a Rogue is awesome if you can get it really early, like in a 5/2 split.  It threatens to severely hamper your opponents opening by killing their first buys, then gaining them for yourself.  If an engine can be started early enough, you could potentially have a game where you consistently deplete your opponents deck of their decent cards.  If it's played too late in the game, well, it's probably an average card at best.

Rogue is countered, however, by about half of the cards in Dark Ages, and any time your opponent builds a strategy around trashing cards, rogue is basically useless.

Aside from their different minor effects (and awesome artworks and names), knight seems kinda vanilla to me.  A card that becomes really powerful with the right engine, otherwise just an upgraded noble brigand.
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