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[Insomniac]

I'm not voting because although I'm suspicious of Axxle I'm also suspicious of his wagon, and I'm not convinced Axxle is scum I mean sure he egged on the Robz/Birds fiasco but even thats not that bad he was probably just pushing for a scum slip

[ftl]

Axxle is being vote on I guess because he's the only one talking, according to the votecoutns. More talking = more scumslips. I guess I'm glad I unvoted there and he's not at L-1.

Not okay with: an angrybirds lynch, a me lynch.
Okay with: basically any other lynch.

hey let's Vote: Grujah

[Grujah]

Suspect me a lot, never even mention yuma (who is mafia, revealed day 6). Eventually settle on voting for morgrim, who then selfhammers and flips town. Yeah, the usual.

IMO, mobs should NEVER kill morgrim. Vigs, on other hand, should.

Can you explain this thinking please?

He is a mislynch waiting to happen. Only game where he wasn't mislynched was MVI because I vouched for him; otherwise he would have died.
Why kill someone who can save you a day?

Vig, on other hand (no one-shot, full), can get a potential mob but generally not too much helpful townie out of the way.

[Morgrim7]

Axxle is being vote on I guess because he's the only one talking, according to the votecoutns. More talking = more scumslips. I guess I'm glad I unvoted there and he's not at L-1.

Not okay with: an angrybirds lynch, a me lynch.
Okay with: basically any other lynch.

hey let's Vote: Grujah

Just because you are OK with a random lynch doesn't mean you should automatically vote randomly. That got me lynched in M2 and M3.

[angrybirds]

Galz has not posted in forever. was he also vla? his last post that had content was to vote for axxle, i think he just wanted to jump on that and ride it out without putting in any effort or attracting any attention

[Galzria]

Galz has not posted in forever. was he also vla? his last post that had content was to vote for axxle, i think he just wanted to jump on that and ride it out without putting in any effort or attracting any attention

I was actually the first person to FoS him, and (I believe) the second vote (maybe third?). The only reason my vote left Axxle (and then went back on) was because of a momentarily distracted vote on Volt. I've been one of the earliest to vote Axxle, and one of the earliest to make a case against him. Please read the thread (and my posts) before claiming that my votes had no reason, or that I was just climbing aboard wagons, which is a flat out lie.

[Voltgloss]

Whoever we decide to lynch, we need to do it well enough in advance of deadline to allow time for any roleclaims.  Given the setup, there appears to be only about a 25% chance of each individual player being a VT.  So odds are whoever we push to L-1 is going to roleclaim and then we need time to deal with that.

I still don't like Axxle's behavior.  I haven't seen an argument that pushes anyone else as significantly scummier than Axxle.  Though I would support a Grujah lynch at this point for what appears to be a willful refusal to get up to speed and contribute helpfully to the thread (maybe sharky's lurking wasn't JUST computer-related, but also influenced by his being scum?). 

Whatever the case, we really need to push to some kind of consensus and do so with significant time left before deadline.  angrybirds said that if forced to choose between Robz and Axxle, he would vote Axxle.  Perhaps all of us who aren't currently voting one or the other should answer that same question.  And if the answer is "absolutely neither of them," what about a Grujah lynch instead?

[Robz888]

I can't imagine a scum Grujah deciding not to read the earlier part of the thread. That's such an obviously irritable thing to do.

[Axxle]

Whoever we decide to lynch, we need to do it well enough in advance of deadline to allow time for any roleclaims.  Given the setup, there appears to be only about a 25% chance of each individual player being a VT.  So odds are whoever we push to L-1 is going to roleclaim and then we need time to deal with that.

I still don't like Axxle's behavior.  I haven't seen an argument that pushes anyone else as significantly scummier than Axxle.  Though I would support a Grujah lynch at this point for what appears to be a willful refusal to get up to speed and contribute helpfully to the thread (maybe sharky's lurking wasn't JUST computer-related, but also influenced by his being scum?). 

Whatever the case, we really need to push to some kind of consensus and do so with significant time left before deadline.  angrybirds said that if forced to choose between Robz and Axxle, he would vote Axxle.  Perhaps all of us who aren't currently voting one or the other should answer that same question.  And if the answer is "absolutely neither of them," what about a Grujah lynch instead?

Lurker lynches usually go pretty bad for us on f.DS.

[Robz888]

Whoever we decide to lynch, we need to do it well enough in advance of deadline to allow time for any roleclaims.  Given the setup, there appears to be only about a 25% chance of each individual player being a VT.  So odds are whoever we push to L-1 is going to roleclaim and then we need time to deal with that.

I still don't like Axxle's behavior.  I haven't seen an argument that pushes anyone else as significantly scummier than Axxle.  Though I would support a Grujah lynch at this point for what appears to be a willful refusal to get up to speed and contribute helpfully to the thread (maybe sharky's lurking wasn't JUST computer-related, but also influenced by his being scum?). 

Whatever the case, we really need to push to some kind of consensus and do so with significant time left before deadline.  angrybirds said that if forced to choose between Robz and Axxle, he would vote Axxle.  Perhaps all of us who aren't currently voting one or the other should answer that same question.  And if the answer is "absolutely neither of them," what about a Grujah lynch instead?

Lurker lynches usually go pretty bad for us on f.DS.

I don't think I agree, actually. How often do we lynch people for lurking? Pretty rarely. And I can think of two cases where a big-time lurker actually was scum: Glooble in MIV and MVI. Of course there's Yuma, too, in MV (and to SOME extent MIII, although I wouldn't call him a lurker, just quiet).

[Eevee]

If he fiasco of mafia VII taught me something, it is that lurkers are like really bad for town. Screw lynch all liars, lynch all lurkers imo.

[Robz888]

If he fiasco of mafia VII taught me something, it is that lurkers are like really bad for town. Screw lynch all liars, lynch all lurkers imo.

Yes. Lurkers are anti-town, and sometimes turn out to be mafia, and we don't kill them enough.

[Insomniac]

Everybody in this game has been quite a bit lurky, cept for Axxle.

[Robz888]

Everybody in this game has been quite a bit lurky, cept for Axxle.

That is a point in his favor. I don't know if it's enough to unvote him, mostly because I don't want a No Lynch, and I don't know what other direction we could go (other than me). Of course, part of the reason I don't know that is because no one is talking. If you want to take on a random lurker, I might be game for that.

[Robz888]

By take on, I mean give votes to in order to gain a response. Not, like, quick lynch.

[Voltgloss]

Everybody in this game has been quite a bit lurky, cept for Axxle.

That is a point in his favor. I don't know if it's enough to unvote him, mostly because I don't want a No Lynch, and I don't know what other direction we could go (other than me). Of course, part of the reason I don't know that is because no one is talking. If you want to take on a random lurker, I might be game for that.

But aren't the majority of Axxle's posts one-liners?*  Just because he has a higher raw post-count than anyone else doesn't necessarily mean he's the least lurky out of all of us.  (Nor is he amongst the MOST lurky, either)

*caveat:  this is my recollection/impression without having gone back to review

[Robz888]

Everybody in this game has been quite a bit lurky, cept for Axxle.

That is a point in his favor. I don't know if it's enough to unvote him, mostly because I don't want a No Lynch, and I don't know what other direction we could go (other than me). Of course, part of the reason I don't know that is because no one is talking. If you want to take on a random lurker, I might be game for that.

But aren't the majority of Axxle's posts one-liners?*  Just because he has a higher raw post-count than anyone else doesn't necessarily mean he's the least lurky out of all of us.  (Nor is he amongst the MOST lurky, either)

*caveat:  this is my recollection/impression without having gone back to review

No, you're right, I don't think its super substancy. But even vapid one-liners would put him well above like 4 or 5 other people at this point, I think.

[Insomniac]

If it comes down to deadline I would definetly be willing to lynch Axxle I just find the case on him a bit flimsy, but there isn't much else to go on as it seems people have settled on either Axxle or Robz.

[Axxle]

If it comes down to deadline I would definetly be willing to lynch Axxle I just find the case on him a bit flimsy, but there isn't much else to go on as it seems people have settled on either Axxle or Robz.

Softclaim: Once I claim you will no longer want to lynch me.

[Eevee]

If it comes down to deadline I would definetly be willing to lynch Axxle I just find the case on him a bit flimsy, but there isn't much else to go on as it seems people have settled on either Axxle or Robz.

Softclaim: Once I claim you will no longer want to lynch me.

Here we go.

[Robz888]

If it comes down to deadline I would definetly be willing to lynch Axxle I just find the case on him a bit flimsy, but there isn't much else to go on as it seems people have settled on either Axxle or Robz.

Softclaim: Once I claim you will no longer want to lynch me.

Oh boy. Unvote, I guess?

[shraeye]

Everybody in this game has been quite a bit lurky, cept for Axxle.

This seems like a weird claim; I currently count the following people as definitely not lurking.
Yuma, Voltgloss, myself, Robz (not anymore after his busy start), ftl, Captain Frisk, Axxle
Some people are doing a bit better recently than the start
Eevee, Grujah (after taking over for sharkbait), Morgrim
Some people seem on and off
ehunt, galzria, insomniac, o, sparky
Some people seem like they just don't like posting much
angry, o

I haven't updated my post count in a while, so I'm not ready to say any of these people have been suspiciously lurking.  But if everyone had 50+ posts like Axxle, we would have more than 32 pages to sift through.  That would be too much.  Just because not everyone is flooding, doesn't mean we're all lurking.

[O]

Everybody in this game has been quite a bit lurky, cept for Axxle.

This seems like a weird claim; I currently count the following people as definitely not lurking.
Yuma, Voltgloss, myself, Robz (not anymore after his busy start), ftl, Captain Frisk, Axxle
Some people are doing a bit better recently than the start
Eevee, Grujah (after taking over for sharkbait), Morgrim
Some people seem on and off
ehunt, galzria, insomniac, o, sparky
Some people seem like they just don't like posting much
angry, o

I haven't updated my post count in a while, so I'm not ready to say any of these people have been suspiciously lurking.  But if everyone had 50+ posts like Axxle, we would have more than 32 pages to sift through.  That would be too much.  Just because not everyone is flooding, doesn't mean we're all lurking.

I think I've posted more content than you TBH.

[Eevee]

If it comes down to deadline I would definetly be willing to lynch Axxle I just find the case on him a bit flimsy, but there isn't much else to go on as it seems people have settled on either Axxle or Robz.

Softclaim: Once I claim you will no longer want to lynch me.

Oh boy. Unvote, I guess?

It's just that.. this road leads directly to a VT lynch or nolynch. Unless Axxle claims a specific card and risks a counterclaim? Would that be our best option with so many power roles around?

[Grujah]

Whoever we decide to lynch, we need to do it well enough in advance of deadline to allow time for any roleclaims.  Given the setup, there appears to be only about a 25% chance of each individual player being a VT.  So odds are whoever we push to L-1 is going to roleclaim and then we need time to deal with that.

I actually think we need to stop this "you need to claim at L-1 shenanigans" that f.ds is into.

And look, I am following everything past to point of my joining, don't see why it is a problem.