Vote: Insomniac
You want to list any specific examples or quotes to back up your vote?
Or are you simply voting because he isn't "pro-town" instead of voting for "scummy-behavior"?
Because to me there is very little that is more confusing than trying to describe what pro-town is and match it up to real townies.
Basically there are a lot of posts from Insomniac (7 when I made my vote) and only 1 which I could mayybe see it as a constructive town post were reasons for taking certain actions were analyzed in a pro-town light. That seems to me like someone who is trying to avoid lurking while also avoiding really pushing for bringing scum out (even Galz's straightforward posts at least tried to get things started). At the time of that vote he had the worst ratios of any players in constructive posts/total posts (where constructive votes are subjectively rated by me before tallying). This feels like something scum would try to do. His 7 posts were
1. a quick random vote for fun
2. joke/explanation of someones random vote
3. explanation of that joke above
4. joke-feeling vote on brother-claiming yuma
6. a joke/attack at sharkbait for trying to play this game "differently"
7. unvoting joke-vote on yuma
I left off #5 in the middle and that is the post I've previously tried to analyze. I'm going to try to write more about my feelings on it.
So I was gonna say that the main benefit of suit claiming might be to discern if we are dealing with one or two scum factions but perhaps the wind will tell us so I'm going to be against suit claiming
First, I've already pointed out how suit-claiming could be gamed by a faction to make it look more like they aren't there.
Second, this really reads to me like he's somewhat upset at cayvie for deciding that it will be good to reveal information to the town, maybe because this would make his faction-trick less possible.
Now new information is given, where Insomniac says this:
I never said we should suit claim I was saying a select few claiming could reveal if there are multiple factions. Quite the contrary I oppose suit claiming especially en masse
Well he had never made a select few/en masse distinction before despite this claim. Also, he makes it sound like he's now very opposed to something he previously suggested he was for. Convenient switch now that consensus has come out that town doesn't want suitclaims.
1. in general, if "x" is some sort of move we could make that's bad for town, it's not that anti-town to ask "hey, is x good for town?" There's plenty of room for theory discussion before anything happens.
I agree. I haven't seen anything that is patently anti-town. I've just noticed and pointed out some suspicious behaviors. I've asked the "hey, is x good for town"-sayers to explain their thoughts and positions and so far mostly everything has left me with a more positive feeling about them. Except for
pooossibly Axxle's and
definitely Insomniac's
I'm pretty sure I did talk about sk/ww here.
If 1/4 of the deck consists of scum roles, we're probably in pretty good shape. 2 WW, 2 Mafia... not so bad. It depends on the luck of the draw - if we get a Mafia Godfather and a cop clears him early, we're sort of screwed, but you can't really plan for that and whatever. Also depends on whatever the heck the Major Arcana are. I look forward to one of them dying just so that we can know what sort of things they have!
We'll see after N1 what the breakdown is. I would expect 2-3 deaths N1, with the potential for more or less. 3 probably means we have SK or vig, 2 probably means no SK, 4 means SK AND Vig of some sort. 1 death probably means no sk, no vig, and a lucky doctor/roleblocker. I think the probabilities work out so at least 1 ww and at least 1 mafia are pretty likely?
Yup, that's true. I was referring to the posts before the one I was quoting, you had made an early mistake and since then you have corrected it. Since you did that without anybody having called you out yet, I feel it may have been a legitimate mistake. Axxle is the same way, he had corrected his mistake before it was pointed out. I think in general I get good vibes from you (by this I mean explaining consequences of various actions in logical ways in order to steer us towards a better decision.) I get mostly good vibes from Axxle, but a slight negative from how he dismissed my post without much consideration, while you took time to hunt out counterexamples and defend yourself. That feels more like you care about stopping me from coming to the wrong conclusion and Axxle cares more about getting the suspicion off his back quickly.