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[shraeye]

Also, I agree that suit claiming may lead to interesting situations.  Some suits have slightly more (probabilistically negligible I suspect, but I'm not willing to work it out quite yet) chance of having a claimer of that suit be scum (assuming everyone tells the truth) and this may cause the protown Major arcana to have to lie.  Even vanilla townies and small power townies may want to lie because if they correctly say they are in wands, they may stand a higher chance of being lynched.  So will we go for people in wands/pentacles or cups/swords since scum may likely claim to be there.  It seems like it puts lots of pressure on people for giving hard truths, or careful lies, without really giving any informational payoff.  If someone can convince me there will be real payoff, I can change my mind just as easy as I set it.

[Galzria]

Well, 16 players in a non-BM game! Not bad... Hope you're up for the work Cayvie. You've got a 4000 post behemoth coming your way!

Frisk, I need to know up front, are you scum?

[Galzria]

Volt, are you a Werewolf?

[Galzria]

Axxle, are you Mafia?

[Galzria]

Shraeye, are you a Serial Killer?

[Galzria]

And yes, I get an obligatory Ace of Swords claim. I'm him.

...

Just not this game.

[Axxle]

And yes, I get an obligatory Ace of Swords claim. I'm him.

...

Just not this game.

Counter claim, I'm the one who isn't the Ace of Swords!

[Axxle]

Axxle, are you Mafia?

I am not.

[sparky5856]

If we arbitrarily grouped the major arcana to be honorary members of the "suits," would Day 1 suitclaims be a good or bad thing for the town?

By "arbitrarily group" I mean something like, "Major Arcana 0 through 5 would claim Cups; Major Arcana 6 through 10 would claim Pentacles; Major Arcana 11 through 16 would claim Swords; Major Arcana 17 through 21 would claim Wands."

Thoughts?

Why not just claim to be Major Arcana? Of course, doing that sure would attract a whole lot of attention to yourself. Your method is probably better. Seems like there's two Major Arcana roles, as per cayvie's Setup Info, am I correct in this?

Dangit, talking about Tarot cards is reminding me of The Binding of Issac. Addicting game.

[Axxle]

Why not just claim to be Major Arcana? Of course, doing that sure would attract a whole lot of attention to yourself.

Yes, claiming to be Major Arcana will probably get you killed by the Mafia or Werewolves.

[shraeye]

Galzria, I can't tell if that's a real question, but I'll bite that bait anyway.  No, I'm not a Serial Killer.

Voltgloss, these are real questions for you.  What do you think would be gained by suitclaiming?  Why did you forget about the Major Arcana in your first query?

[Galzria]

Galzria, I can't tell if that's a real question, but I'll bite that bait anyway.  No, I'm not a Serial Killer.

Voltgloss, these are real questions for you.  What do you think would be gained by suitclaiming?  Why did you forget about the Major Arcana in your first query?

They were all serious. I haven't heard from Volt or CF yet.

eHunt, want to answer for your Mafia buddy?
Eevee, what about you? Who are you planning on NK'ing for your faction kill?

[O]

Frisk, I need to know up front, are you scum?

Shraeye, are you a Serial Killer?

Volt, are you a Werewolf?

Axxle, are you Mafia?

They were all serious. I haven't heard from Volt or CF yet.

eHunt, want to answer for your Mafia buddy?
Eevee, what about you? Who are you planning on NK'ing for your faction kill?

YOU'RE NOT SUBTLE. WHY CAN'T YOU BE SUBTLE FOR ONE GODDAMN GAME IN YOUR LIFE

RAGEVOTE: GALZRIA

[shraeye]

Galzria, I can't tell if that's a real question, but I'll bite that bait anyway.  No, I'm not a Serial Killer.

Voltgloss, these are real questions for you.  What do you think would be gained by suitclaiming?  Why did you forget about the Major Arcana in your first query?

They were all serious. I haven't heard from Volt or CF yet.

eHunt, want to answer for your Mafia buddy?
Eevee, what about you? Who are you planning on NK'ing for your faction kill?

Well that's a shame.  There's a difference between probing questions and arbitrary questions.  One type helps us find scum, the other type fills up forum space.  Here's a probing question.

Why not just claim to be Major Arcana? Of course, doing that sure would attract a whole lot of attention to yourself.

Sparky can you explain your reasoning behind why you said that Major Arcana should just claim as such?

[Galzria]

Galzria, I can't tell if that's a real question, but I'll bite that bait anyway.  No, I'm not a Serial Killer.

Voltgloss, these are real questions for you.  What do you think would be gained by suitclaiming?  Why did you forget about the Major Arcana in your first query?

They were all serious. I haven't heard from Volt or CF yet.

eHunt, want to answer for your Mafia buddy?
Eevee, what about you? Who are you planning on NK'ing for your faction kill?

Well that's a shame.  There's a difference between probing questions and arbitrary questions.  One type helps us find scum, the other type fills up forum space.  Here's a probing question.

Why not just claim to be Major Arcana? Of course, doing that sure would attract a whole lot of attention to yourself.

Sparky can you explain your reasoning behind why you said that Major Arcana should just claim as such?

I don't think they're arbitrary at all, responses often vary.

[Galzria]

Frisk, I need to know up front, are you scum?

Shraeye, are you a Serial Killer?

Volt, are you a Werewolf?

Axxle, are you Mafia?

They were all serious. I haven't heard from Volt or CF yet.

eHunt, want to answer for your Mafia buddy?
Eevee, what about you? Who are you planning on NK'ing for your faction kill?

YOU'RE NOT SUBTLE. WHY CAN'T YOU BE SUBTLE FOR ONE GODDAMN GAME IN YOUR LIFE

RAGEVOTE: GALZRIA

*yawn*

[Morgrim7]

Frisk, I need to know up front, are you scum?

Shraeye, are you a Serial Killer?

Volt, are you a Werewolf?

Axxle, are you Mafia?

They were all serious. I haven't heard from Volt or CF yet.

eHunt, want to answer for your Mafia buddy?
Eevee, what about you? Who are you planning on NK'ing for your faction kill?

YOU'RE NOT SUBTLE. WHY CAN'T YOU BE SUBTLE FOR ONE GODDAMN GAME IN YOUR LIFE

RAGEVOTE: GALZRIA

*yawn*

Oh, geez.

[ehunt]

I think loaded questions are more useful IRL than on the message board. The problem is that I get plenty of time to think and say "hey! that question presupposes that I have a mafia buddy, but that would make me mafia, so it's a loaded question!" And then nobody learns anything. IRL you get to watch the wheels turning when you ask pressure questions.

[Galzria]

I think loaded questions are more useful IRL than on the message board. The problem is that I get plenty of time to think and say "hey! that question presupposes that I have a mafia buddy, but that would make me mafia, so it's a loaded question!" And then nobody learns anything. IRL you get to watch the wheels turning when you ask pressure questions.

Hey, in truth of you read back through other games, I've not been a big fan either - actively called out how pointless they were. Buuut,, Robz liked to stand by them, so in his absence and lack of posting I figure they can stand in just fine. Besides, while all the vets know and have seen them, you never know when someone new might go "wait, what?"

[O]

I think loaded questions are more useful IRL than on the message board. The problem is that I get plenty of time to think and say "hey! that question presupposes that I have a mafia buddy, but that would make me mafia, so it's a loaded question!" And then nobody learns anything. IRL you get to watch the wheels turning when you ask pressure questions.

Without referencing any other games, its another... lets say interesting... well, not claim, but obvious tactic for a specific role that might be in the game.

Actually, this role can be either scum or town in this game so I'm directly calling this one out

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lie_Detector

[Galzria]

I think loaded questions are more useful IRL than on the message board. The problem is that I get plenty of time to think and say "hey! that question presupposes that I have a mafia buddy, but that would make me mafia, so it's a loaded question!" And then nobody learns anything. IRL you get to watch the wheels turning when you ask pressure questions.

Without referencing any other games, its another... lets say interesting... well, not claim, but obvious tactic for a specific role that might be in the game.

Actually, this role can be either scum or town in this game so I'm directly calling this one out

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lie_Detector

You over think things WAY to much.

[ehunt]

I don't really mind anything to get the talking going, btw, even if it's loaded questions. I prefer theory to RVS and general hollering but don't much care. I'm too exhausted to theorize about the setup right now though. One thing to note - the decks function to give vanilla townies a bit of a "named townies" role like Jo unintentionally got for himself in MVI. This will probably be very helpful to town.

[O]

I don't really mind anything to get the talking going, btw, even if it's loaded questions. I prefer theory to RVS and general hollering but don't much care. I'm too exhausted to theorize about the setup right now though. One thing to note - the decks function to give vanilla townies a bit of a "named townies" role like Jo unintentionally got for himself in MVI. This will probably be very helpful to town.

If by unintentionally got for himself, you mean intentionally got for himself, which wasn't intended for by the mod, then yes.

[ehunt]

To angrybirds, shraeye, other new folks - in MVI when I was brand new I found the constant references to old mafia games annoying and not helpful,  but you do actually learn a lot from them if you sit down and read through them. They are pretty hard to skim, though, and long.

[Robz888]

Hi guys. I am here for a few minutes. I have skimmed the thread. I don't have time to catch up for real now. I am packing up Friday and moving on Saturday, so I will have basically very little availability until Saturday night/Sunday. Sorry! (And nobody say I am am over-committed in mafia games or I will vote for them!)