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[pingpongsam]

I am very surprised at how many people still suspect ftl (PPS, Morgrim, slightly Galz).

As soon as I understood the ftl situation I switched my vote to abirds.

[ftl]

No idea why it's been so dead but it seems to be becoming not-dead now, slightly. Rising from the grave.

Maybe it's because so many scum have died that we don't have any new leads, and the existing scum are just lurking? Total dead to date is 4 scum, 5 town, correct? Town could be in good shape but with 2 (3?) nightkills going around you never know. And since we're looking for WW/SK now, not mafia, pairings/wagon analysis doesn't really help, since WW/SK could be on mafia wagons or off them, like townies.

We should have one more major arcana somewhere.

OK, scumhunting.. PPS definitely scummy since he's appeared. Hard to tell because he's basically playing a D1 game when we're already on D3. Dunno about C_F before the  switch, he was making obvious "I'm not paying attention" tells but that's not necessarily scumtells since he did get replaced later. I suppose I could be okay with that lynch, but not sold on it.

Morgrim back to being his old morgrimy self, no read anymore. He keeps wanting to lynch me though. I was rereading abirds and even a while back, Morgrim wanted to lynch me. Like 2 weeks ago. And he's still sticking to it after my claim and dayvigging a scum. Maybe he's scummy, but who ever knows with Morg. Would be willing to lynch now, since he hasn't been playing crazy most of the game that might be a scumtell, sticking to a vote on a probably-confirmed-town. Ugh, or not. Morg's always town, and always a mislynch. Maybe he's just getting sloppy after trying so hard all game to play a good town game. Or maybe he's sheeping his scumbuddies who voted for me?

 I've had a town read on abirds all along... yep, rereading abirds now didn't change that. Not voting abirds. Obviously could be SK or something.

What clears Galz? Galz is always so active and I find it so hard to read him. And there's so much to read that I can't go back and like reread everything he posted. Anything in particular anyone remembers about him? I remember a towntell being that he was willing to be investigated by Grujah's modconfirmation, but that could have been a bluff... anyone else remember anything else that was scumtell or towntell off Galz? We can guess he's not mafia so parings/wagons with the 3 dead mafia don't help.

 OK, I think I agree with galz that there are likely scum are likely in (Morg, Volt, PPS). Gots to read volt... well, he's not on CF's scumteam, but might be scummy.

Yeah, I guess I'd be okay with a lynch on any one of those three at the moment.  Anyone have any good reasoning for why galz is/isn't trustworthy?

[Galzria]

ftl, I'm not cleared. Although I've been fairly obvious I think throughout the game - especially starting D2. Grujah had cleared me because Grujah put it together. But then, he had an advantage.

[angrybirds]

my vote stays on voltgloss, to echo axxle or galz o maybe both I could see him easily as sk. morgrim is an option but I see it less, I mean voting ftl doesn't seem like something scum would do. it looks like typical morgrim town play. In addition, and this is mostly metabat this point, followed mx pretty close where morgrim was frustrated to be vanilla townie again! he posted as such and then ended up being so. this game started before mx so if he had been given a role other than vt in this game why would he be frustrated in the next.

PPS would be my second choice. But I far away prefer a volt lynch.

[Axxle]

Unvote

Probably scum in ABirds, Volt, PPS.

I think it's worth keeping PPS alive one more night


Some things against ABirds:

Response Morgrim's question:

2. If Captain_Frisk somehow convinced us that he wasn't scum, who would be your next target?

2. Follow the confirmed town? I don't know. I would consider the case on ftl more closely, but I don't have a strong second. Maybe Morgrim.

2. Probably sparky.

2. Ftl

2) so few options...ftl maybe. would like to see suspicions on sparky.

2 - ftl

Seems to be following the consensus.  And here's thelLast time he mentioned ftl (before answering Morgrim's question):

I will only give a probably wont' lynch  in frisk, ftl, eevee, robz, morgrim

I was going to vote for Abirds here, but I just realized that these posts were 200 posts and 4 days apart.  I'll have to read the filler to see if he had good reasons to switch his read.

[Voltgloss]

my vote stays on voltgloss, to echo axxle or galz o maybe both I could see him easily as sk.

Axxle posted "blah" about me, same as he posted about Galz.

Galz said his "gut" has him smelling SK about me - while simultaneously saying he doesn't believe PPS/Frisk's claim and also saying he is becoming more and more concerned about Morgrim.

abirds, you've explained why you don't think Morgrim is scum.  But you haven't explained why you "far away prefer" lynching me over lynching PPS.  Do you have a reason, other than sheeping someone else's gut?*

*not to be confused with gutting someone else's sheep   

[Galzria]

Soo... ? This is my only active game. I'm going to Vote: Voltgloss because Axxle wants to give PPS another day, and I agree with Abirds note regarding Morgrim flipping out in M-X over yet another VT role - when this game had already started.

Interesting note though: he subbed out of that game, but not this one. Hmm. Still willing to vote Morgrim I think, but my ordering goes: PPS > Volt > Morgrim - and I'll respect Axxle's desire to put off PPS for a day.

[Axxle]

Voltgloss (2): Angrybirds, Galzria
ftl (1): Morgrim
PPS (1): Voltgloss

not voting (3): PPS, ftl, Axxle

[Morgrim7]

Oh! That setup. I completely forgot about that, bad on my part. I guess ftl is almost confirmed town now. Unvote. Volt is at L-2, no more votes on him please, unless you are sure we want to lynch.

[Voltgloss]

Axxle, with all of the scummy behavior Frisk/PPS has exhibited, why do we want to give him one more day? 

Galz, it appears your vote on me is driven in part by process-of-elimination across all potential scum players.  But I looked over your recent posts, and see one person you haven't analyzed:  abirds.  Are you confident he's town?  If so, why?  (If you have this in an earlier post and I missed it, apologies)

I think there are, in all likelihood, only 2 scum remaining.  I think PPS is probably scum (most likely WW).  Axxle is town, ftl is very likely town, and I agree that Morgrim is also probably town.  That means the last scum is, most likely, either abirds or Galz - both of whom are presently voting for me.  Time to analyze both before scum wagons me off a cliff and town to a loss.*

* A loss?  Yes.  This could be MyLo, right here, right now.  Assuming the minimum 2 scum, there are 5 town and 2 scum alive now.  If we mislynch today, and scum get 2 townkills in the night, that leaves 2 town and 2 scum alive tomorrow.  Even if we lynch scum tomorrow, the other scum will still have the opportunity to win by killing town in the night and winning 1-vs-1 the following day.  Of course, this assumes scumkills don't double up on the same target, and that no scumkills are blocked.  But that's a distinct possibility and one we should keep in mind.

[Galzria]

Yes Volt, I've already given my feelings on ABirds. And yes, I'm leaving him off because I consider him town.

[Axxle]

Sigh.

Vote: PPS

Might as well go with the scumread.

[Galzria]

Sigh.

Vote: PPS

Might as well go with the scumread.

I'll Vote: PPS over Volt, as I stated before. If he's not scum though Volt and Morgrim ARE.

[cayvie]

Vote Count

pingpongsam (3): Voltgloss, Axxle, Galzria [L-1]
Voltgloss (1): angrybirds

Not Voting (3): pingpongsam, Morgrim7, ftl

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch

[angrybirds]

I always wanted to hammer, I prefer Volt, but am ok with this.

vote: PPS

[cayvie]

Thread Locked

[cayvie]

Killing people is fun!

That seems to be the opinion of this town, and who can blame them with this kind of reinforcement?

pingpongsam has been lynched. He was the Knight of Wands, Werewolf.

Final Vote Count

pingpongsam (4): Voltgloss, Axxle, Galzria, angrybirds

Not Voting (3): pingpongsam, Morgrim7, ftl

Night 3 has begun. 24 Hours on this one; get those actions in by 8:30 PM Forums Time September 13.

[cayvie]

Whooooo's dead?

Let's go check!

ftl had a brain aneurysm!
ftl has been killed. He was the Five of Wands, One-Shot Day Vigilante

Galzria has been stabbed in the back!
Galzria has been killed. He was the Ten of Cups, Unrequited Lover

With 4 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

THREAD OPEN

[Axxle]

Massclaim time!


angrybirds
Voltgloss
Morgrim7
Axxle

[Axxle]

Massclaim time!


angrybirds
Voltgloss
Morgrim7
Axxle

Actually, I might change up the order later.  Abirds first though.

[angrybirds]

for starters I am the two of swords, vanilla townie

in respect to the night kill information, something struck me that I had been mildly aware of all game in how galz perceived me. if you remember i was on him pretty hard at the beginning of this game, but he has been protown toward me throughout all of it, this is what i think is going on

galz was an urequited lover. From wiki mafia a lover is someone who is tied to another person and dies if that person commits suicide "Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it die simultaneously." but he was stabbed in the back, not something you do for suicide! Unrequited I would imagine means that other person doesn't realize it. from what i understand this typically means that the two lovers are both similarly aligned.

Galzria has been stabbed in the back!
Galzria has been killed. He was the Ten of Cups, Unrequited Lover

i believe that i was galz's unrequited love, with that in mind i went back and reread galz's posts and here is what i found

Yes Volt, I've already given my feelings on ABirds. And yes, I'm leaving him off because I consider him town.

Vote: Angry Birds

Tell me, which faction does he belong to?

Oh yeah, Vote: Pingpongsam

I wonder if mine continues to count after I die...

And a million curses on Ftl and Axxle, once again. But the scum are PPS/abirds.

PPS - maybe. ABirds? Really don't think so.

ABirds is town.

Oh, right, sorry, I was focusing on another post of yours.

I know I seem defensive over ABirds, it's just that I've seen a lot of "he's suspicious" but no legitimate reasons given, and I personally have a town read on him (even though he parked his vote on me most of D1 and kept trying to push others to vote for me too. >.>)

I could be wrong, I just really don't think that I am.

Galz I think you are misunderstanding me... or rather i mistyped...

I do not have a suspicion vote on him. In my response to Grujah I said I would like to know his alignment. And just now when I said I would take my vote off him, I meant to remove my vote from him being the one Grujah reveal's alignment of.

I do not find him scummy. I find him town. I-personally-wanted to know his alignment, but in regards of providing town the best info, it wouldn't be best to use it on a-birds. Sorry if that was confusing.

Sorry, bit drunk, but my question wasn't just to you (I just quoted since you were most current), but to everyone who has put Abirds on #3 or #7 of Grujah's questionnaire... Why? I just have a stronger town read on him personally than most here, although I admit I forgive lurkiness as more town than scum (based on past results). I just don't think I've seen a case on him that shows why he's scum outside of that reason - so I'm curious if there is one?

Grujah I would have preferred that you sat on this for a bit. It looked like for a while that a wagon had a chance to develop on you. It would have been interesting to see who would have joined it. As is, we should point out that both sparky and Morgrim cast suspicions at you, as did I as well... before your reveal.

I would take my vote off angrybirds if there is an actual way to confirm someone's alignment. He is the one I-personally am most interested in discovering--but as for the town itself. Eevee and Galz are at the top of my list to learn alignment.

Could we use these lists later on down the road to see who was willing to out who's alignment? Say a mafia is lynched and sparky was willing to let us discover that person's alignment, doesn't that give at least a little bit of credibility to them, or am I reading too much into that?

What about ABird's play makes you question his alignment? I haven't heard a real case except that he's "lurky", which is such a BS reason to truly suspect SCUMMINESS. Is it "Not-do-great" town play? Yeah, maybe. But how many lurkers have actually been scum? 1? 2? Out of how many games?

And he hadn't even been completely absent lurky either. He posts once a day and usually gives reasonable opinions at the time. He didn't think eHunt was all that scummy afaik, and preferred the Insomniac lynch (despite the logic stating otherwise) which is more than most of us (myself included) can say!

Seriously, he appears very quiet, but townie, to me. What's the case for him being a serious question mark on alignment?

I get a very strong (probably larger than most others here) town read on ABirds, and actually DON'T think he's a good target for this form of pseudo investigation because of it.

I actually think Angrybirds is town. 

wow, that was a really long post and hard to put together
but in summary i believe i am galz's unrequited lover, which would make me very much town one of has to be right--although I suppose ftl could be as well? but again, galz didn't suicide, he was back stabbed.

could i be wrong? perhaps, but i feel pretty strongly about this

at this point i would vote for voltgloss, but I guess we are following axxle so i will wait to vote until i get an all clear?

[Axxle]

I'll wait till everyone claims to respond to you Abirds.

Volt will reveal next

[Voltgloss]

I'm the Ten of Swords, Vigilante. 

The knife kills are mine.  I don't know why cayvie gave me serial-killer-esque kills - when I saw the results of my killing Insomniac Night 1, I thought the serial killer must have picked the same target as me and his kill flavor trumped mine.

But when I targeted yuma Night 2 (in retrospect of sparky's flip, I thought yuma's pushing sparky's wagon along only to abandon it towards day's-end was scummy) and saw the "heart attack" flavor, I was even more confused.  It was only after rereading Eevee and realizing he would never have targeted yuma that I concluded the serial killer is, in all likelihood, Major Arcana and able to use otherworldly killing abilities.  His flavor trumped mine on Night 2.  I don't know what happened to his kill on Night 1 - maybe Insom doctored it in his last gasps as Mafia Doc.

Last night finally cleared things up.  I killed Galz as my next biggest scumread after pps.  The serial killer killed conf-town ftl. 

It's either abirds or Morgrim.  Reserving judgment until after Morgrim claims.

I realize of course I'm walking right into the meta of "serial killers always claim vig lol."  I can't do anything about that.  The role I'm claiming is the truth.  Apparently cayvie found it amusing to have a setup with every possible vig in it. 

At least this means we have a chance to win.  Otherwise we'd be looking at, what, two townies and two SK's?  Even if we lynched one of the SK's today, the other one would kill a townie at night and then win the 1-vs-1 tomorrow.  Our only chance in that scenario would be to no-lynch and hope the SK's kill each other in the night. 

[Axxle]

Morgrim, go go go!

[angrybirds]

{twiddling thumbs}

Morgrim generally gets on at about 6 or 7 forum time i believe, hopefully he will post soon