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[cayvie]

Robz888 has been daykilled. He was the Page of Cups, Mafia Goon.

Votes are reset.

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Thread opened.

[Galzria]

See? I told you it was all flailing for fun. Volt/Robz were the only Mafia options (see my first post of today).

Now, PPS as WW?

[Axxle]

So long and thanks for all the WIFOM.

[Galzria]

So long and thanks for all the WIFOM.

He didn't place any wine. It's HIGHLY likely he was the last Mafia, thus had no information to distract/confuse us with.

[Axxle]

So long and thanks for all the WIFOM.

He didn't place any wine. It's HIGHLY likely he was the last Mafia, thus had no information to distract/confuse us with.

You're assuming cayvie balanced the setup.  She only made it not super unbalanced.

[Axxle]

So long and thanks for all the WIFOM.

He didn't place any wine. It's HIGHLY likely he was the last Mafia, thus had no information to distract/confuse us with.

You're assuming cayvie balanced the setup.  She only made it not super unbalanced.

We'll see after tonight I guess.

[Galzria]

So long and thanks for all the WIFOM.

He didn't place any wine. It's HIGHLY likely he was the last Mafia, thus had no information to distract/confuse us with.

You're assuming cayvie balanced the setup.  She only made it not super unbalanced.

Yes, I am. At this point until NK's disprove that assumption I think it's fair to make it. If the NK's don't add up we can go back and reevaluate. For now I think shifting to WW hunting (ie. O's teammate) to be the most productive use of our time.

[ftl]

Oh hey pretty cool, my daykill hit a Mafia! I'm excited, I was right, I'd sort of been gunning for Robz for a while. Good to know.

[Galzria]

My thoughts were most succinctly summed up in #1399 - Does anything else to date stand out?

[Axxle]

My thoughts were most succinctly summed up in #1399 - Does anything else to date stand out?

link for the lazy: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3907.msg103642#msg103642

[Galzria]

My thoughts were most succinctly summed up in #1399 - Does anything else to date stand out?

link for the lazy: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3907.msg103642#msg103642

Sorry, didn't want to requote the whole thing. Yeah, link is helpful.

[Voltgloss]

Galz, someday you need to teach me in the finer arts of reading Robz, because I clearly have a blind spot where he is concerned.

Vote: PPS.  Nothing has changed regarding his scummy behavior.

[angrybirds]

Galz, someday you need to teach me in the finer arts of reading Robz, because I clearly have a blind spot where he is concerned.

Vote: PPS.  Nothing has changed regarding his scummy behavior.

except that one of the main focal points of your argument was that he was mafia. apparently that is highly unlikely. does he also fit the mold for ww?

I stll find you to be the scummiest of everyone alive.
vote: voltgloss

[Voltgloss]

except that one of the main focal points of your argument was that he was mafia.

No.  Obviously my theory about the remaining Mafioso was flawed because I gave too much credit to what was, in hindsight, a bus by Robz.   But as I said in my post:  "Nothing has changed regarding [Frisk/PPS's] scummy behavior."  His actions are scummy independent of his scumteam. 

See my most recent post before the one you quote, regarding Frisk/PPS's piecemeal revelation of who he supposedly protected each night.  Plus Axxle's skepticism that Frisk/PPS's claimed Night 1 protection choice doesn't make sense.  Plus the "loud/quiet" meta for O-scumteams.  Plus all the analysis Day 2 driving the wagon on Frisk up to his claim.  Plus also the fact that, with three confirmed or almost-confirmed townies alive going into Night 2, Frisk just so happened to NOT protect either of the 2 of those 3 who were nightkilled.

Plus also, nothing about PPS's behavior since swapping in for Frisk offers any reason to un-suspect him.  Look at his response to Axxle's "we're going to lynch one of Frisk/PPS, Volt, or abirds" post.  He immediately votes for you.  Without any explanation or rationale - and without responding to Axxle's follow-up question.

Nothing has changed regarding Frisk/PPS's scummy behavior.  Hence, my vote.

[Morgrim7]

Oh my. Oh my oh my oh my. So Robz is scum, huh. I guess ftl may be cleared? Unless he is the daykill SK...which, with the this game is set up, isn't that unlikely? Vote: ftl

[ftl]

Wait, daykill SK? Why would it be "not unlikely" for me to be daykill sk? Is there even a daykill SK? According to the list of cards, the ace of wands and pentacles are werewolf- and mafia-immune SKs. There isn't a daykill sk, unless it's a major arcana.

[Voltgloss]

Plus also, nothing about PPS's behavior since swapping in for Frisk offers any reason to un-suspect him.  Look at his response to Axxle's "we're going to lynch one of Frisk/PPS, Volt, or abirds" post.  He immediately votes for you.  Without any explanation or rationale - and without responding to Axxle's follow-up question.

Misspoke here.  Meant to say "Galzria's" follow-up question.

[Galzria]

So this place is an absolute ghost town - and I'm not sure why? We've been on a roll, good things have been happening, and we still have leads from previous days, right? I mean, there's still quite a few people alive and not more than... 1 SK, 1-2 WW, and MAYBE 1 Mafia left - so absolute extreme, 4 scum? Likely 3 or even just 2?

This has been one of Towns most successful games to date as far as early days go - why isn't there excitement to keep the momentum rolling?

[Galzria]

Ok... Didn't realize there were only six left alive. Really? Where did everyone go? I've felt fairly on top of this game. I guess it's prolonged nature has made it seem like less has happened than actually has.

List:

Axxle - confirmed town
ABirds -
Morgrim -
Volt
ftl - confirmed town? Need to look at the list of daykill powers
PPS
Me - Howdy.

So 4 scum from the analysis above is out. Mafia must be dead. 3 is still possible though. This really shouldn't be to hard then to figure out.

[Galzria]

I can't count, btw. Six = seven.

[Galzria]

For Reference:

Setup Info

So here's how this works. This is a Semi-Open setup.

I've divided my Tarot deck into two piles, the Major and Minor Arcana. As seen below, I've assigned specific, fairly traditional Mafia roles to the Minor Arcana. The Major Arcana, however, have been assigned secret abilities that range from "Oh, that's new and interesting" to "What on Earth was that?" in power and strangeness. Some Major Arcana are town-aligned, some are Mafia, some are Werewolf, and some are other.

In order to keep the Major Arcana roles feeling appropriately special, I've separated them from the rest of the deck. For every seven players that join the game, one Major Arcana role is added to the setup. After that is done, I deal enough Tarot cards to give everyone a role.

Minor tweaking is done afterward to ensure some semblance of balance. It usually comes out pretty balanced, but sometimes there's six werewolves out of 16 players and that's just no good.

The Deck

Cups
Ace - Lover
Two - Vanilla Townie
Three - Vanilla Townie
Four - Mason
Five - Vengeful Lover
Six - Vanilla Townie
Seven - Cop
Eight - Roleblocker
Nine - Innocent Child
Ten - Lover
Page - Mafia Goon
Knight - Mafia Goon
Queen - Mafia Doctor
King - Mafia Watcher

Pentacles
Ace - Mafia-Immune Serial Killer
Two - Vanilla Townie
Three - Vanilla Townie
Four - Mason
Five - One-Shot Strongman Vigilante
Six - Vanilla Townie
Seven - Cop
Eight - Backup
Nine - Jack of all Trades
Ten - Spy
Page - Mafia Goon
Knight - Mafia Goon
Queen - Mafia Roleblocker
King - Mafia Godfather

Wands
Ace - Werewolf-Immune Serial Killer
Two - Vanilla Townie
Three - Vanilla Townie
Four - Mason
Five - One-Shot Day Vigilante
Six - Vanilla Townie
Seven - Seer
Eight - Ninja Doctor
Nine - Bulletproof Townie
Ten - Doctor
Page - Werewolf
Knight - Werewolf
Queen - Werewolf Rolecop
King - Alpha Werewolf

Swords
Ace - One-Shot Weak Vigilante
Two - Vanilla Townie
Three - Vanilla Townie
Four - Mason
Five - Vengeful Townie
Six - Vanilla Townie
Seven - Seer
Eight - Jailkeeper
Nine - FBI Agent
Ten - Vigilante
Page - Werewolf
Knight - Werewolf
Queen - Ninja Werewolf
King - Werewolf Tracker

Major Arcana

0: The Fool
I: The Magician
II: The High Priestess
III: The Empress
IV: The Emperor
V: The Hierophant
VI: The Lovers
VII: The Chariot
VIII: Strength
IX: The Hermit
X: The Wheel of Fortune
XI: Justice
XII: The Hanged Man
XIII: Death
XIV: Temperance
XV: The Devil
XVI: The Tower
XVII: The Star
XVIII: The Moon
XIX: The Sun
XX: Judgment
XXI: The World

[Axxle]

Ok... Didn't realize there were only six left alive. Really? Where did everyone go? I've felt fairly on top of this game. I guess it's prolonged nature has made it seem like less has happened than actually has.

List:

Axxle - confirmed town
ABirds -
Morgrim -
Volt
ftl - confirmed town? Need to look at the list of daykill powers
PPS
Me - Howdy.

So 4 scum from the analysis above is out. Mafia must be dead. 3 is still possible though. This really shouldn't be to hard then to figure out.

Axxle - confirmed town
ftl - confirmed town
PPS - Alleged doctor.  No SK kill last night lends itself to this.  Yuma's heart attack hasn't been attributed to any role yet, but might have been Eevee's OSWV?
ABirds - definitely not mafia because of Robz interaction.  Will have to look at possible WW or SK.
Morgrim - started of very strong, but has been crazy as of late. 
Volt - blah
Galz - blah

I am very surprised at how many people still suspect ftl (PPS, Morgrim, slightly Galz).  Read the setup again!

Vote: Morgrim I do not want him near lylo, sorry Morgrim.

[Galzria]

Alright, I tentatively must believe ftl is town aligned based on his power. There are a few Major Arcana's that might fit a command like "Beat up: X", but it's not worth pursuing today.

The Mafia NK's are explained. Last night there was still "torn to pieces" and "heart-attack" kills. While I can't really fit the heart-attack flavor to a SK, I'm going to have to assume that it was, else we're missing a kill and that means an ADDITIONAL scum party out there, which really, really seems off.

PPS/Frisk has claimed Doctor. I don't believe the claim. There are 7 of us and very likely 2 NK's coming. Can we afford to let him live another night? His claim is the only thing keeping him alive or he would've been lynched yesterday. It's not verifiable, and it's been unsuccessful so far. Thoughts?

Volt - I'm smelling SK buddy, no offense. SK doesn't have a lot of tells, so even if I go back and reread you I'm not sure I could make a strong case. But it's what my gut says here.

Morgrim. Oh so helpful this game Morgrim. You're a sly one. You've fought being town for so many games, and now here you are. Not acting like the town Morgrim we know... And surviving. This is becoming more and more concerning to me. I've come to loath lynching Morgrim, but this is not, I think, a bad lynch now.

I'm fairly sure there's two scum amongst you three. The only question is: where?

[Galzria]

Ok... Didn't realize there were only six left alive. Really? Where did everyone go? I've felt fairly on top of this game. I guess it's prolonged nature has made it seem like less has happened than actually has.

List:

Axxle - confirmed town
ABirds -
Morgrim -
Volt
ftl - confirmed town? Need to look at the list of daykill powers
PPS
Me - Howdy.

So 4 scum from the analysis above is out. Mafia must be dead. 3 is still possible though. This really shouldn't be to hard then to figure out.

Axxle - confirmed town
ftl - confirmed town
PPS - Alleged doctor.  No SK kill last night lends itself to this.  Yuma's heart attack hasn't been attributed to any role yet, but might have been Eevee's OSWV?
ABirds - definitely not mafia because of Robz interaction.  Will have to look at possible WW or SK.
Morgrim - started of very strong, but has been crazy as of late. 
Volt - blah
Galz - blah

I am very surprised at how many people still suspect ftl (PPS, Morgrim, slightly Galz).  Read the setup again!

Vote: Morgrim I do not want him near lylo, sorry Morgrim.

Axxle, my suspicion of ftl isn't really that - it's just being cautious because of Major Arcana. I'm not at all interested in lynching him.

[Voltgloss]

PPS - Alleged doctor.  No SK kill last night lends itself to this.  Yuma's heart attack hasn't been attributed to any role yet, but might have been Eevee's OSWV?

I know I was the one to initially suggest this as a possibility, but I've since reread Eevee's Day 2 posts, and based on those I don't think it's a likely possibility.  Eevee has pretty much nothing bad to say about yuma and repeatedly referred to him as townish throughout Day 2.  True, Eevee didn't weigh in regarding yuma's gambit (pushing what he felt was a weak case on sparky to see if scum would join it), but I doubt that would have been enough by itself to change Eevee's perceptions so dramatically as to decide to Vig yuma.

So, I'm thinking it's more likely that yuma's death was the SK's kill.  Which would mean there were no missing kills last night.  Which further supports why I think PPS/Frisk is the right lynch today.

Volt - I'm smelling SK buddy, no offense. SK doesn't have a lot of tells, so even if I go back and reread you I'm not sure I could make a strong case. But it's what my gut says here.

No offense taken Galz.  Your gut is wrong, but I take no offense.