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[Voltgloss]

Robz (or others), what is the case on ftl?  I think I've missed it and if someone could summarize I would appreciate it. 

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 2.8

Captain_Frisk (2): Galzria, Morgrim7
Robz888 (3): Captain_Frisk, ftl, angrybirds
sparky5856 (4): yuma, Eevee, Grujah, Axxle
yuma (1): Voltgloss
ftl (1): Robz888


not voting (1): sparky5856

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Sept. 3 @ 5 p.m. 27 hours remain.

[Robz888]

Robz (or others), what is the case on ftl?  I think I've missed it and if someone could summarize I would appreciate it.

Well, I didn't like his vote (and Frisk's) on me in response to the now-way-over-discussed Abirds/Robz feud on Day 1. Looked like a lurker-wagon-joiner to me.

Admittedly, it's not much, and I'm not married to an Ftl vote. But other people seem to have suspicions of him, too.

[ftl]

My vote still on robz. I like it there. Lurking, opportunistic voting.

Re: backup doctor - he wasn't originally a doctor, he's a backup, he takes on whatever (town?) power role dies first.

[sparky5856]

Ohhh okay, makes much more sense then. Thank you ftl.

Voltgloss - overanalytical, townish I guess but yuma's points in #1291 are interesting.
Captain_Frisk - WHO ARE YOU
Grujah- Wants me dead.
Eevee- Ditto.
Robz888- leaning more towards scum than town
yuma- town imo
ftl- townish more so than others
Galzria- leaning more towards scum than town
angrybirds- town imo
sparky5856- burp.
Morgrim7- leaning more towards town than scum, I suppose
Axxle- the most obvious scum obviously amirite

[Eevee]

i think either way frisk will likely die tonight, as such lynching him doesn't make much sense.

I still think CF is our guy, but this is a good point.

I'm also VLA till day end, so I'll just sheep Eevee and Grujah at this point.

Vote: sparky

It's quite obvious anyone having their vote on Frisk is just wasting it at this point! Give us a vote, everyone.

How? Why?

Why do we autobuy this claim?

The other scumteam will nightkill him anyways if he is lying.

[Galzria]

i think either way frisk will likely die tonight, as such lynching him doesn't make much sense.

I still think CF is our guy, but this is a good point.

I'm also VLA till day end, so I'll just sheep Eevee and Grujah at this point.

Vote: sparky

It's quite obvious anyone having their vote on Frisk is just wasting it at this point! Give us a vote, everyone.

How? Why?

Why do we autobuy this claim?

The other scumteam will nightkill him anyways if he is lying.

That is false. It's why scum lost in M-VI. They cannot go balls-to-the-wall all out to kill the other scum team or town will overwhelm them. It's a balancing act and right now, "scum" (as a whole) are well behind. They absolutely do NOT want to kill each other tonight.

[Voltgloss]

As I understand it, yuma's rebuttal to my suspicion is, in very brief summary, "I fought against CF's lynch Day 2 - and if I were scum I'd have let it ride."  Do I have that right, yuma?

yuma, what do you think of the case on ftl?  If you think sparky is a better lynch candidate than ftl - why?

I am still trying to understand the case against sparky.  I saw Eevee responded to that question from me but I frankly didn't find his comments that compelling.  "Suspected a lot of townies" describes a lot of us (including confirmed townies!) and "acted scummy when suspected" I don't think I agree with.  sparky's behavior in the face of suspicion Day 2 feels more like ehunt's behavior to me than anyone else.  ehunt.  Who was town!

[Eevee]

Man you guys changing avatars all the time makes following these games impossible. >_>

@Volt, I agree the case on sparky is not perfect, but.. I just dont see anything better. I admit I should/could have a better idea of what is going on though. :/

[Robz888]

Yes. Why do the avatars keep changing? Can it stop?

[Eevee]

Yes. Why do the avatars keep changing? Can it stop?

Cosmic Encounter I guess. I guess we'll just have to manage.

[Robz888]

Yes. Why do the avatars keep changing? Can it stop?

Cosmic Encounter I guess. I guess we'll just have to manage.

Boooo.

[sparky5856]

Have there ever been cases on this forum where someone claimed a certain role and they were lying and ended up being scum? (Insomniac was kinda one, he half-lied. He was a doctor but the wrong kind.) I'm not tempted to read every nook and cranny of every mafia thread lol.

How did I forget to respond to Eevee's #1283? Like Volt stated, everyone suspects townies "left and right" all the time. Because, well, that's the game. At least I actually nailed ONE of the scum. That's a start for me. So Eevee is only on me because I have the strongest evidence against me although it's very weak evidence? The reason *I* haven't voted yet is because I don't have strong enough evidence to accuse anybody outright, although I have ideas. Should "ideas" just be enough? Or is it too risky?

[Robz888]

Have there ever been cases on this forum where someone claimed a certain role and they were lying and ended up being scum? (Insomniac was kinda one, he half-lied. He was a doctor but the wrong kind.) I'm not tempted to read every nook and cranny of every mafia thread lol.

The answer is yes. I lied about being a Doctor in MII. Dsell lied about being a One-Shot Vig in MVI. Further lying happened in MIII and MVI.

[Robz888]

Have there ever been cases on this forum where someone claimed a certain role and they were lying and ended up being scum? (Insomniac was kinda one, he half-lied. He was a doctor but the wrong kind.) I'm not tempted to read every nook and cranny of every mafia thread lol.

The answer is yes. I lied about being a Doctor in MII. Dsell lied about being a One-Shot Vig in MVI. Further lying happened in MIII and MVI.

and those people turned out to be scum, if that isn't clear.

[Eevee]

Have there ever been cases on this forum where someone claimed a certain role and they were lying and ended up being scum? (Insomniac was kinda one, he half-lied. He was a doctor but the wrong kind.) I'm not tempted to read every nook and cranny of every mafia thread lol.

How did I forget to respond to Eevee's #1283? Like Volt stated, everyone suspects townies "left and right" all the time. Because, well, that's the game. At least I actually nailed ONE of the scum. That's a start for me. So Eevee is only on me because I have the strongest evidence against me although it's very weak evidence? The reason *I* haven't voted yet is because I don't have strong enough evidence to accuse anybody outright, although I have ideas. Should "ideas" just be enough? Or is it too risky?

Deadline september 3rd.. it is already september 3rd where I live!  I think not having your vote anywhere is almost criminal at this point.

[Robz888]

If Ftl isn't going anywhere, I'll switch to sparky or yuma or whatever. Town is doing fine, no reason to squander it on a No Lynch.

[sparky5856]

Have there ever been cases on this forum where someone claimed a certain role and they were lying and ended up being scum? (Insomniac was kinda one, he half-lied. He was a doctor but the wrong kind.) I'm not tempted to read every nook and cranny of every mafia thread lol.

How did I forget to respond to Eevee's #1283? Like Volt stated, everyone suspects townies "left and right" all the time. Because, well, that's the game. At least I actually nailed ONE of the scum. That's a start for me. So Eevee is only on me because I have the strongest evidence against me although it's very weak evidence? The reason *I* haven't voted yet is because I don't have strong enough evidence to accuse anybody outright, although I have ideas. Should "ideas" just be enough? Or is it too risky?

Deadline september 3rd.. it is already september 3rd where I live!  I think not having your vote anywhere is almost criminal at this point.

I realize that >_<

If Ftl isn't going anywhere, I'll switch to sparky or yuma or whatever. Town is doing fine, no reason to squander it on a No Lynch.

Ftl isn't going anywhere. Although both of your alternatives are unfortunate to me. Then again what else do we have at this point lol. I wish I wouldn't have died for such lame reasons, but we're so far in now.

VOTE: Captain_Frisk is stupid at this point, but it's all I'm equipped to do. If I somehow last to the third day, I'll try to be more focused/helpful and less self-introverted with my posts, as with the D1 sparky.

[yuma]

i think either way frisk will likely die tonight, as such lynching him doesn't make much sense.

I still think CF is our guy, but this is a good point.

I'm also VLA till day end, so I'll just sheep Eevee and Grujah at this point.

Vote: sparky

It's quite obvious anyone having their vote on Frisk is just wasting it at this point! Give us a vote, everyone.

How? Why?

Why do we autobuy this claim?

The other scumteam will nightkill him anyways if he is lying.

That is false. It's why scum lost in M-VI. They cannot go balls-to-the-wall all out to kill the other scum team or town will overwhelm them. It's a balancing act and right now, "scum" (as a whole) are well behind. They absolutely do NOT want to kill each other tonight.

But the other scum team doesn't know if Frisk is actually another scum faction or a real doctor (now) and neither do we. Not killing Frisk leaves the door open for him actually having doc powers that can be used not only tonight, but tomorrow night as well to potentially block their night kills.... I don't think that is a risk scum would be willing to take.

Lynching Frisk now does reveal his actual alignment, but if he is a doc it prevents him from using his power (at least once) and potentially saving himself or another townie from being killed.

[yuma]

As I understand it, yuma's rebuttal to my suspicion is, in very brief summary, "I fought against CF's lynch Day 2 - and if I were scum I'd have let it ride."  Do I have that right, yuma?

Sure, if you want to simplify, that is what it says. But that turns into W--and whatever other letters follow for the abbreviation of whatever that thing is that I still don't fully understand...

But my point is that I didn't just let it ride, I fought against it hard. And it isn't just if I were scum, but more if I were O's partner--which is specifically what you called me out to be.

How do you respond to my questions to you?

oh.... and I'll get to ftl later

[Grujah]

I am mostly likely to Vote: Captain_Frisk
for the same reason I did ehunt:
It is a stupid claim.
And I HATE that he threatened "I'll claim! You don't want me lynched!"

I don't like sparky voting him too, but well.

Maybe it would be better to let Frisk live this night and maybe lynch him tomorrow, but I have am totally fine with straight-out lynching him now.

[Galzria]

I am mostly likely to Vote: Captain_Frisk
for the same reason I did ehunt:
It is a stupid claim.
And I HATE that he threatened "I'll claim! You don't want me lynched!"

I don't like sparky voting him too, but well.

Maybe it would be better to let Frisk live this night and maybe lynch him tomorrow, but I have am totally fine with straight-out lynching him now.

Well, I'm still on CF, but I think that Yuma's case on Sparky is just as sound. That's a lynch that I could see being decent and letting things with Frisk hopefully decide themselves tonight/tomorrow.

[Eevee]

Frisk lynch is baad, yuma looks really towny to me, sparky time people!

[Galzria]

Frisk lynch is baad, yuma looks really towny to me, sparky time people!

Well, it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other to me. I don't really buy the claim, but can't exactly disapprove it, so I'm willing to wait and see for a day. Vote: Sparky

[yuma]

ftl:

So he successfully navigated the doc claims by only voting insomniac, a feat very few of us that voted were able to do...

FoS: Galzria, Robz, yuma, voltgloss, eevee, grujah, axxle very early day 2 for being on ehunt wagon; crazy that three confirmed townies were on that wagon...

Nobody has really put together a solid case on him.I think the most comprehensive case I have found was from Morgrim!? in response to a-birds. His case is below in quotes. It seems like a lot of people but him as a possible lynch target instead of Frisk to Morgrim's questions.

"-He was on many wagons. Like a lot."   Not really... he voted around day 1, but I don't really think that is a bad thing, and he wasn't on the ehunt wagon.
-Was lurky, and when he posted, he wasnt helpful (D1).   Helpful? What does that mean? I think he put pressure on people, voted, probed, asked questions, answered question.
-Never even responded to Grujah. This is a flat out lie. He did, I think he was the first to respond and even voted Grujah...

I personally find ftl to be a bad lynch.

Now in response to why I voted sparky. I felt the the vote on Frisk to put him to L-1 prematurely was odd and I felt it warranted a closer look at sparky. I looked back on him and well, let's all be completely honest here... I didn't find much.

Here I took a risk. I decided to vote him, to 1. get a response from him and 2. see who else would join this wagon.

Sparky's responses have been fine, nothing bad has really come out of them.
But a lot of people have voted for him. I was hoping to find scum among the players voting for him, joining a wagon and catch them voting for someone with a pretty weak case. Because hey, the case on sparky isn't great. This plan backfired somewhat as confirmed townies, eevee, axxle and grujah voted onto it. But now it has been joined by Galz.

I know I am likely to raise suspicion on myself for doing this, but I honestly felt that this town needed some shaking up.

Right now I am going to change my vote to vote: Galzria. And will be going back and taking a good hard look at him, I know off the top of my head he was on the ehunt wagon, and has been quiet/lurky this game. I would be doing the same for Eevee, Axxle and Grujah as well if they weren't confirmed town.

Town what think ye?