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[Captain_Frisk]

Yeah, timchen threw the game for sure. I thought the guy was the Town Cop for a good minute. After some time I came to realize he was the Mafia asset of the year.


Mafia N1 Investigated Galzria, N2 Investigated manda.

Why did you guys kill timchen night 2?

[pingpongsam]

All the night Kills were about dissonance and controlling the next Day's direction. It was impossible to predict timchen's direction the next day. I think we covered the timchen kill pretty well in the QT because YN wanted to hit Eevee and I knew I could press him into a manda lynch without much trouble while timchen was a total wildcard. Even though timchen was an easy post-Galzria wagon lynch there was much more dissonance to be had knocking him off.

[pingpongsam]

Revised to clarify:

timchen was too easy, a honeypot kill. Anyone pressing his lynch could easily be construed as Mafia.

The manda lynch had been setup a day or two beforehand and Eevee was already signed onto it. No one pressing a manda lynch was easily construed as Mafia.

[Robz888]

PPS, that's really smart. Well-played lynching Timchen there.

[O]

WELL in my 15 incorrect reads, I at least got that Manda was obvtown >.>

[Young Nick]

Yeah, pps really handled our night-actions well. I had no idea that Eevee would be so willing to lynch manda and thus thought that a timchen honeypot was too nice to pass up. Having said that, I still would have loved to NK no-one and wait for a Doc to claim and then CC him or to claim I protected pps if no claim presented itself.

[pingpongsam]

YN's claim ideas were superb and if we had been in a tighter spot I would have been on-board. As it was I thought having a fake-claim plan in the case of a Town claim was the best approach and it turns out Town had no one to make a claim.Knowing this now the fake-claim gambit would have been a fun ride.

[jotheonah]

hey now that your game is over, why not come sign up for BM V???

[jotheonah]

Here's a link! http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3949.0

[timchen]

It's so sad that everyone blamed me instead of Galzria. Time to leave...

[Insomniac]

It's so sad that everyone blamed me instead of Galzria. Time to leave...

It's how you worded your arguments, you made it super tough for anyone to do anything but lynch one of you and you were both town.

[O]

Really, it's everyone's fault. <Robz, CF, Timchen, Eevee, Galzria> all looked scummy while the other two town lurked hard.

[pingpongsam]

It's so sad that everyone blamed me instead of Galzria. Time to leave...

It should be noted that a town majority lynched Galzria and that Mafia killed you out of fear.  I think your perspective is slightly distorted.  You convinced everyone of your true alignment.

[Robz888]

As for my own play, I was actually trying to look scummy. Because I was the Jailkeeper, I had a duty to live. And I thought I would likely get NKed pretty quickly unless scum had a reason to leave me alive, and the only reason I could give them was to look suspicious myself.

[Young Nick]

I totally would blame you for giving your vote to Galzria. It's like holding the rest of town hostage. If I hadn't been working the "timchen is Mafia" angle I totally would have supported a policy lynch. To be honest, the argument presented wasn't that good. You didn't allow the possibility that Galzria was merely misreading you and/or playing bad town instead of being Mafia.''

You should have cut your losses way earlier in the argument, well before you gave up your vote.

[Young Nick]

As for my own play, I was actually trying to look scummy. Because I was the Jailkeeper, I had a duty to live. And I thought I would likely get NKed pretty quickly unless scum had a reason to leave me alive, and the only reason I could give them was to look suspicious myself.

At the end of the day, it was hard to believe that you would keep playing in such a scummy manner. For that reason, we were fearful that you would wake up on d2 and play a normal, protown game and be a valuable addition to town.

[Eevee]

As for my own play, I was actually trying to look scummy. Because I was the Jailkeeper, I had a duty to live. And I thought I would likely get NKed pretty quickly unless scum had a reason to leave me alive, and the only reason I could give them was to look suspicious myself.

At the end of the day, it was hard to believe that you would keep playing in such a scummy manner. For that reason, we were fearful that you would wake up on d2 and play a normal, protown game and be a valuable addition to town.

This was the thing I always hated the most about IRL mafia. We played with idiotic rules that allowed the doctor to protect himself, so almost every time the most experienced* player lived to see day 2, town instantly went "oh, Eevee lives, he has to be scum!". And it was actually correct to think so, because I died N1 so so often. Frustrating stuff!

*This is hardly a brag, I always played with family so the level of play was.. not very good. It was always very fun though, even if I was dead a lot.

Actually, I should start a thread here about a reasonable rule set for IRL mafia. We always played with both doctor and cop, no other power roles, daystart and doctors who protect themselves until the very end of the game (in hindsight lol why didn't we think of changing this ever!?). Could be improved, but not sure how.

[eHalcyon]

As for my own play, I was actually trying to look scummy. Because I was the Jailkeeper, I had a duty to live. And I thought I would likely get NKed pretty quickly unless scum had a reason to leave me alive, and the only reason I could give them was to look suspicious myself.

At the end of the day, it was hard to believe that you would keep playing in such a scummy manner. For that reason, we were fearful that you would wake up on d2 and play a normal, protown game and be a valuable addition to town.

This was the thing I always hated the most about IRL mafia. We played with idiotic rules that allowed the doctor to protect himself, so almost every time the most experienced* player lived to see day 2, town instantly went "oh, Eevee lives, he has to be scum!". And it was actually correct to think so, because I died N1 so so often. Frustrating stuff!

*This is hardly a brag, I always played with family so the level of play was.. not very good. It was always very fun though, even if I was dead a lot.

Actually, I should start a thread here about a reasonable rule set for IRL mafia. We always played with both doctor and cop, no other power roles, daystart and doctors who protect themselves until the very end of the game (in hindsight lol why didn't we think of changing this ever!?). Could be improved, but not sure how.

Doctors can't protect themselves.  If you have a doctor and a cop, you need to give the Mafia an investigation-immune Godfather or make the cop X-shot or something.  Easier solution is to just use Jailkeeper instead of Doc.

[timchen]

I totally would blame you for giving your vote to Galzria. It's like holding the rest of town hostage. If I hadn't been working the "timchen is Mafia" angle I totally would have supported a policy lynch. To be honest, the argument presented wasn't that good. You didn't allow the possibility that Galzria was merely misreading you and/or playing bad town instead of being Mafia.''

You should have cut your losses way earlier in the argument, well before you gave up your vote.

This is true I guess... I tried once by asking him to back off if he is town, he didn't then I just never looked back. In the end the thing to me is that his accusation on me is unreasonable. (As you said, can be from a bad town play; I just realized that way too late.) And he had my vote; if he had better ideas he could have led us to lynch someone else.

Yeah, but that probably did not help. I can't believe you, YN, is mafia after d2. This is simply incredible. You probably have read my lengthy posts more carefully than town Galzria. The way you expressed looked like genuine confused town to me.

PPS was slightly more scummy on my radar but was still more town than everyone else. (My read after I was killed from town to scum: (YN, PPS, Sharky, eevee, manda) it is amazing that you can play scum so consistently.

So props to you two. Great play.

[Grujah]

Oh, this has ended,  didn't notice. Veterans got schooled! Wanna read last few ending posts, just for the kicks.

Note to self: PPS is awesome at this game. Beware if not on same teams. He rocked both games he was in. Like, heavy.

Galz, you never told us why did you open with scumslip Day1. Whole QT though you were teasing the noobs.

[Young Nick]

The, "Man, this sucks." How is this a scumslip?

[Eevee]

The, "Man, this sucks." How is this a scumslip?

Yeah, whats up with multiple people reading that much into wiki.mafiascum tells everybody knows by now!?

[Grujah]

It is like he QUOTED THE SCUMSLIP NAME. It was TOO OBVIOUS.To me it seemed like he was rubbing it in in your noses. (though, anther article files it as "scum or doc tell" and PPS was doc when he done that MVI).

@Yn -
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells
On the bottom.

[Captain_Frisk]

It is like he QUOTED THE SCUMSLIP NAME. It was TOO OBVIOUS.To me it seemed like he was rubbing it in in your noses. (though, anther article files it as "scum or doc tell" and PPS was doc when he done that MVI).

@Yn -
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells
On the bottom.

Yeah - when I read that I was convinced that Galz was just rubbing his scum-ness in the spectators eyes.  "Hahah - you're all dead and I'm playing with Noobs, I'm going to do whatever I want"

Super kudos to PPS & YN - and FOS all the rest of you for lynching me for trying to make the town talk.

[Eevee]

Super kudos to PPS & YN - and FOS all the rest of you for lynching me for trying to make the town talk.

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