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[blueblimp]

In what situations do the rules explicitly allow you to speak out loud? There are multiple right answers.

[Robz888]

In what situations do the rules explicitly allow you to speak out loud? There are multiple right answers.

Wishing Well. Contraband.

[blueblimp]

In what situations do the rules explicitly allow you to speak out loud? There are multiple right answers.

Wishing Well. Contraband.

Yep. There are also two situations I know of where you may speak, but are not specific to any particular card.

[ycz6]

When you play any card?

[Young Nick]

Announcing how many VP's you have at the end of the game?

Also, Envoy.

[blueblimp]

When you play any card?

As I read the rules, it's only required specified to "announce which card [you] are playing" when playing an action card. For treasure cards, the rules seem silent on whether you say anything.

[blueblimp]

Announcing how many VP's you have at the end of the game?

Also, Envoy.

For VPs, although the rules say to count them, it doesn't explicitly say to do it out loud. (That said, I don't know how else you'd reasonably compare victory point totals.)

Envoy falls into a general bucket of cards with "choose" on them. I'm not sure whether it's explicitly allowed to make this choice out loud, since I don't have the FAQ for Envoy. In the case of Envoy, you could conceivably tap the card with a finger to indicate which card to discard. In the case of a card like Pawn, I don't know how to do it except verbally, but AFAIK the rules don't specify how to do it.

[blueblimp]

An additional situation I had in mind:

The rules (slightly ambiguously) either allow or force verbal tracking of the number of remaining actions.

The base rules say:
"If a card gives the player more than one additional Action, he may keep track of the number of Actions he has remaining out loud."

But then later for Village, they say:
"If you're playing multiple Villages, keep a careful count of your Actions. Say how many you have left out loud; this trick works every time."
(Note it doesn't say "may".)


Edit: I actually feel guilty rules-lawyering wording like "this trick works every time", even if just for fun...

[Davio]

When an opponent tries to do something illegal like grabbing all the Colonies on turn 1 and announcing: "I've won!"?

[ST218]

When an opponent tries to do something illegal like grabbing all the Colonies on turn 1 and announcing: "I've won!"?

You don't need to speak for that. Depending on who you're playing with and how well you know them, a punch to the face speaks volumes.

I can think of one instance where speaking is essentially necessary. Torturer; if you have an empty hand and a non-empty curse pile, there's not much of an easy way beyond a minigame of charades (or writing a note but that's cheating) of if you're "choosing to discard two" or simply temporarily deaf and blind and can't parse the Torturer being played a third time.

[Grujah]

Scrying pool, Spy?
As it is your opponent that actually does discarding/putting back, so you need to signal him somehow.


Phil Stone.
Your opponent needs to know the numbers so you don't cheat?

KC-KC-X-X and than, let's say a Bridge, that you only want to play once, and not 3 times (for some silly remake options). If you only put bridge down is it not clear whether it is KCed or not.

[Davio]

That KC is a good one, especially with cards that only give a bonus but do not require any further actions to be taken directly.

You may want to play a KC as a single to up your HoP, but not as a tripler as you may accidently stick it to an Outpust.

[Grujah]

That KC is a good one, especially with cards that only give a bonus but do not require any further actions to be taken directly.

You may want to play a KC as a single to up your HoP, but not as a tripler as you may accidently stick it to an Outpust.

Yeah, same with not wanting to stick it with Tactician.

[Kahryl]

When you play Hamlet and discard once, you should be required to announce whether you're taking a +action or +buy. Otherwise you might put off the decision till later (after playing more draw cards) to see which you need more.

[blueblimp]

When you play Hamlet and discard once, you should be required to announce whether you're taking a +action or +buy. Otherwise you might put off the decision till later (after playing more draw cards) to see which you need more.

I think that verbal action tracking handles this without any special Hamlet-talk.

[gman314]

But really, if you play any board game face to face with minimal talking, you're missing out on the whole social aspect of playing the game and you might as well go play online.

[Ozle]

Pawn?

[Davio]

That KC is a good one, especially with cards that only give a bonus but do not require any further actions to be taken directly.

You may want to play a KC as a single to up your HoP, but not as a tripler as you may accidently stick it to an Outpust.

Yeah, same with not wanting to stick it with Tactician.

You don't stick it to a Tactician, because you immediately know that you didn't discard any cards the second (or third) time. The Outpost clause only triggers when you want to play your 3rd turn or something funky like that.

[Grujah]

Well, this is the thing:

Tact:
You discard whole hand. You clean up (KC is cleaned up).
KC'ed Tact:
you discard whole hand. Than you do nothing. Than you do nothing. You clean up (KC is not cleaned up).

No way to differ, and if you played KC-KC-something-something than a Tact, opponent might call that you cannot clean KC as Tact was KCed (that is, it seemed so).

[Young Nick]

Well, this is the thing:

Tact:
You discard whole hand. You clean up (KC is cleaned up).
KC'ed Tact:
you discard whole hand. Than you do nothing. Than you do nothing. You clean up (KC is not cleaned up).

No way to differ, and if you played KC-KC-something-something than a Tact, opponent might call that you cannot clean KC as Tact was KCed (that is, it seemed so).

I'm pretty sure the KC is cleaned up regardless. DXV has clarified about this before, and it does get quite confusing for durations that are TR'ed and KC'ed in general, but because the KC is not modifying, and thus gives no new information, it is allowed to be cleaned up.

[Grujah]

Iso handles it differently that what you said. Just checked.

[jider]

I suppose you could use hand gestures, but I like to let my opponent know verbally if they need to discard for minion or if I am taking the $2.  Additionally, when being tortured, I like to announce what I am doing and not just discard or pick up a curse in silence.  And as common courtesy, I announce every Council Room I play so certain forgetful friends of mine are reminded to draw an extra card (same goes with Governor).

[Vaivraza]

I understand we are discussing this because we must be forced to play Dominion in the Library, or at classroom, in wich case we must avoid to speak as much as possible.

[razorborne]

I didn't see any mention of Philosopher's Stone but I'm pretty sure you need to convey the value somehow.

[Grujah]

I didn't see any mention of Philosopher's Stone but I'm pretty sure you need to convey the value somehow.

Just silently count them really slow so everyone can catch.
If somebody raises an issue, give them your deck and discard to do it themselves.