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Catching Up
« on: June 12, 2012, 10:01:20 pm »
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Your opponent just bought a Province and reshuffled (how did they get that HP stack so fast?!).  Meanwhile, the most expensive card in your deck is a single $3 action (note: this means you have no silver, though you do have free reign on all the $2 cards though). 

On your turn, you gain two Gold and a province without changing the state of your deck (draw pile).  What did you play?


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Hard mode: No durations, nothing on mats, you never have more than 5 cards in hand.

Extra Hard Mode: You may not trigger a reshuffle.

There are some hints in replies #3 and #11.  The intended solution has 2 copies of a certain card and only 1 of anything else.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 10:31:35 pm »
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Somewhat contrived: Play Bag of Gold (your Tournament got Sabotaged some time earlier)
Play Transmute, trashing an Estate and gaining a Gold
Then play 3 Fool's Golds (you have 6 cards in hand because your opponent played Council Room) and buy a Province
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2012, 10:33:19 pm »
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What do you mean by without changing the state of your deck?
Do you mean that you can't draw any cards?
If so, you don't even need a three dollar card.
By virtue of haven/native village, your hand contains six fool's golds and two pawns. Play pawns for +Buy; Buy stuff.

Native village can do anything.

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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 10:51:30 pm »
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Drats!  I considered those things but didn't want to think how they could be abused.

Hard mode: No durations, nothing on mats, you never have more than 5 cards in hand.

Also, my intended solution only uses two of a single card, and the rest are unique.

@heron -- yeah I just meant that whatever is in your draw pile at the start of the turn is still there in the same order at the end of the turn. 

And to be extra clear, even though I said the $3 card is in your deck, I meant that you have it (it can be in your hand).

Unedit: I thought I made a mistake in something I said here, but I did not.   :-[

For those who missed my temporary edit, hint: I had thought that my solution had 6 cards in hand at some point, except it really doesn't.  It's never above 5.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2012, 10:54:16 pm »
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Play native village, returning to your hand such things as: tons of copper, fool's gold, duchesses, native villages, a crossroads, trusty steed (prizes cost 0), diadem, princess, pawns, lighthouses, heck even embargos if you have spare actions, maybe also a secret chamber and some junk chapels etc to discard for cash.

To get the two golds and the province after princess's cost reduction, you just need $14 and 3 buys, which is easy from the pawns and fool's gold alone.


Edit: Sadly obsoleted by the time I finished typing it. :P
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2012, 10:58:15 pm »
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So you aren't allowed to draw any cards? So your $3 action can't be something that draws a card?
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2012, 11:00:16 pm »
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Oh, wait. Your hand is, uh, 5 Fools Golds? You play 3 of them, buy a Province, and reveal the other 2, trashing them and gaining 2 Golds?
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2012, 11:02:18 pm »
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So you aren't allowed to draw any cards? So your $3 action can't be something that draws a card?

You can draw cards as long as it doesn't change the state of the deck.  For example, you could play duchess and draw a card, then put it back.  Although I guess that is more of a reveal than a draw?  Or maybe courtyard when there's only a single card in your draw+discard, so you draw 1 and put it back.  That would be fine as well.

Oh, wait. Your hand is, uh, 5 Fools Golds? You play 3 of them, buy a Province, and reveal the other 2, trashing them and gaining 2 Golds?

FG only activates from other players.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 12:35:58 am »
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Does $P/$2P count as less than $3?
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 01:05:58 am »
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Does $P/$2P count as less than $3?

Actually it does not. If you have Haggler in play and buy a Silver, you can't use Haggler to gain a Transmute.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2012, 01:38:38 am »
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This is definitely not the intended solution.

Your current hand is Trusty Steed, Workshop, Pearl Diver, Crossroads, Estate. No cards in draw pile, and sufficient cards in the discard pile. In this I'm using the notation (a,b), where a = cards in hand and b = actions left.

Play Trusty Steed, +2 act +$2 (4, 2)
Workshop gains Noble Brigand (3, 1)
Pearl Diver (reshuffle), draws Estate (3, 1)
Crossroads draws Crossroads, Bag of Gold (4, 3)
Bag of Gold gains Gold on deck (3,3)
Crossroads draws Gold, Crossroads (4,2)
Crossroads draws Noble Brigand, Diadem (5,1)
Noble Brigand steals Gold (2nd Gold gained this turn) (4,0)

With $8 buy Province. End turn with 0 cards in draw pile, which is the same as the start of the turn.

This solution doesn't work if you count drawing a new hand of 5 as part of the current turn. If you do, I have no idea how to solve it.

Edit: wording fixes.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 01:48:24 am »
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That is a neat solution.  And you're right, it's not the intended one.

For the record, my solution does not use any tournament prizes.  Additional hints:

1. The solution does not gain any cards other than the 2 Gold and Province.
2. The draw pile is not empty.
3. Your opponent's deck composition does not change (so Masquerade wouldn't help you here).

But if you can find other solutions that don't meet these three bits, they would still be appreciated!
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2012, 02:10:59 am »
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Need a bit of draw luck for this.

Draw deck is empty. Hand is Watchtower, 4x NV. Discard is 2 pawns, 1 NV, 6 FG.

Play NVs to draw 4 FG, then play Watchtower to draw 2 pawns, 1 NV, 2 FG. Play each pawn for $1 1 buy, then play NV to pick up the FG from the mat. You have 3 buys and $23, enough for the golds and the province, and your draw deck is empty like it started.

The same idea can work with 2 Hamlets, a Watchtower, and 6 FG.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2012, 02:28:35 am »
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Need a bit of draw luck for this.

Draw deck is empty. Hand is Watchtower, 4x NV. Discard is 2 pawns, 1 NV, 6 FG.

Play NVs to draw 4 FG, then play Watchtower to draw 2 pawns, 1 NV, 2 FG. Play each pawn for $1 1 buy, then play NV to pick up the FG from the mat. You have 3 buys and $23, enough for the golds and the province, and your draw deck is empty like it started.

The same idea can work with 2 Hamlets, a Watchtower, and 6 FG.


At the very end of the action phase, you have 6 FG in hand.  Therefore it doesn't mesh with the restriction that you never have 5 cards in hand.

You may have seen my edit saying that it was 6 cards, not 5, but then I unedited because I miscounted.  The upper limit is indeed 5!


Edit: I think your solution would still work if You add in an extra Pawn as part of your starting hand.  Play it after the NV for +1 Card, +$1 to draw the Watchtower and proceed from there.  5 FG = $17, +$3 from 3 pawns is still enough for 2 Gold and Province.

My intended solution only needs 2 of something though (plus 1 of a few other cards). :)
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2012, 04:56:42 am »
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Your hand is Hamlet, Tunnel, Tunnel, Menagerie, Duchess. You have nothing else in your deck.

You play the hamlet, discarding both tunnels, gaining two gold. You play menagerie, drawing both gold in the 3 cards. You play the duchess, discarding the other Tunnel in your deck.

You choose not to gain a Gold, because you're hard core.

You buy a Province.

Your draw pile is the same (0 cards) as when you started.


Those Tunnels cost $3, but the most expensive thing you're allowed is a single $3 action.  That means you can't have Tunnel.  You can't even have Silver!  :D

Since everyone is coming up with ideas where the draw deck starts and ends with nothing...

Extra Hard Mode: You may not trigger a reshuffle.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2012, 04:58:25 am »
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Agh, you caught me :)
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2012, 05:03:09 am »
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Agh, you caught me :)

Aw you didn't need to delete the post though.  It's still a decent idea, and now I have a phantom quote.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2012, 05:09:51 am »
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Okay, here's a "better" solution. (I know it doesn't technically count ;) )

Your hand is Native Village, Masquerade, and some other cards.

You play Native Village, Masquerade, and your opponent passes you a Possession, which you play.

During your Possessed turn, you contrive to buy a Province, 2 Golds, and also to Masquerade a Watchtower into your hand. So that when you also purchase everything that was in the hand you just drew, and the 3 cards you drew during your last turn, you can put them back on top of your deck in the same order they were.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2012, 05:16:36 am »
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Oh. Also there's this, which is much closer to your stipulations.

It's a 3 player game.

Your hand is Woodcutter, Fools Gold x4.

You play Woodcutter, then 4 Fools Gold. You buy a Noble Brigand, gaining a Gold from each opponent. You buy a Province.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2012, 05:20:52 am »
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Oh, and I think I've actually solved it:

Your hand is Native Village, Swindler, Courtyard, Fools Gold, Fools Gold.

You play a Native Village, taking nothing from the Mat.

You play a Swinder. Your opponent reveals a Province, which you turn into a Province. You trash your Fools Golds and gain 2 Golds on your deck.

You play Courtyard, putting the third card back onto your deck.

You buy a Province.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2012, 05:22:42 am »
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Damnit Cayvie, your 3P solution gave it to me, but then you ninja'd it before I could write it up  :'(

Edit: Also, Xroads works.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2012, 05:24:04 am »
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Oh. Also there's this, which is much closer to your stipulations.

It's a 3 player game.

Your hand is Woodcutter, Fools Gold x4.

You play Woodcutter, then 4 Fools Gold. You buy a Noble Brigand, gaining a Gold from each opponent. You buy a Province.


Hmm, you get even closer to only having two of anything if you use Lighthouse instead of a fourth FG.  It'll get you to $12, which is all you need for the NB + Province.  But yeah, it's still off on a few points.

And that Possession "solution" is funny. :P

In case it isn't clear, I only mean that your draw pile is the same by the time you enter clean up phase.  Obviously it will change when you draw the hand for your next turn.  I suppose you only mentioned the Watchtower bit because your Possession solution extended past the "end of turn" draw.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2012, 05:24:41 am »
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Oh, and I think I've actually solved it:

Your hand is Native Village, Swindler, Courtyard, Fools Gold, Fools Gold.

You play a Native Village, taking nothing from the Mat.

You play a Swinder. Your opponent reveals a Province, which you turn into a Province. You trash your Fools Golds and gain 2 Golds on your deck.

You play Courtyard, putting the third card back onto your deck.

You buy a Province.


Correct.  ;D
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2012, 10:38:19 pm »
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Here's another solution, since you didn't specify that your opponent bought the first Province.

Your hand: Crossroads, Princess, Smugglers, Bag of Gold, Pawn.  (Your Tournament and Province which got you the prizes have been sabotaged and are now the Crossroads and Pawn.)

Play Crossroads, Princess, Smugglers.
Since Princess is in play, Province costs 6, so you can smuggle it.
Play Bag of Gold, putting Gold on top of your deck, gaining one more action.
Play Pawn for $1 and a card, drawing Gold.
Buy Gold for $4, and you can pick up a $2 card as well if you want it.
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Re: Catching Up
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2012, 10:45:14 pm »
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It works.  Using prizes is so unfair though. ;)
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