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[jotheonah]

Ah jeez. Yeah, you're right. If you were Jailkept. Hm, it could be that either O or me is the Jailkeeper, anyway.

Or another alive player who hasn't claimed..

Or those two dead guys.. does anyone have a quote where action resolution order is explained?

Basically powers get resolved first, then deaths. So the dead did get to use their actions. It's my understanding that this is the usual way of doing things. Obviously Possession gets resolved before anything else.

Whoops, drop Insomniac of the above list. I was basing off the opening post which isn't updated to show his death yet.

My bad. Forum problems last night.

[zxcvbn2]

I'll agree with what someone else said earlier. I should have made my proposal first, waited, then hammered if no one else did. I got excited, and acted kind of stupid.

I targeted Insomniac last night, per both of our lists.

I understand where you're coming from ("assuming he's not mafia"). Honestly just meant that to say "if he's not mafia," but I understand the suspicion when including everything else that happened.

[Captain_Frisk]

Clarification: if the weak doctor targets someone who is to be killed - does he prevent the kill?

[Robz888]

Clarification: if the weak doctor targets someone who is to be killed - does he prevent the kill?

Yes, that's what the weak doctor's power is.

[Robz888]

Clarification: if the weak doctor targets someone who is to be killed - does he prevent the kill?

Yes, that's what the weak doctor's power is.

The weak doctor dies if he targets mafia, that's all.

[Captain_Frisk]

I'll agree with what someone else said earlier. I should have made my proposal first, waited, then hammered if no one else did. I got excited, and acted kind of stupid.

I targeted Insomniac last night, per both of our lists.

I understand where you're coming from ("assuming he's not mafia"). Honestly just meant that to say "if he's not mafia," but I understand the suspicion when including everything else that happened.

Ok - thats all claims.  Of course 2 people here are mafia - so none of it can be trusted.

So - The people who were targeted were:

TINAS (Galz + CF)
Galz (RobZ + O)
Frisk (yuma)
Insomniac (zxc)

This implies that the following people are NOT jailkeepers, as they would have prevented kills if they were)

Captain_Frisk, Galzria, Zxc

The following people who are still alive that were not targeted are:
RobZ, O, ZXC, Yuma

This means they couldn't have been jailkept - so their roles would fire.  The jailkeeper wouldn't lie, so this should be without disputable.

ZXC can not be any of the following roles:
Real Doctor, Jail Keeper, Weak Doctor - Pending Mod Response to previous question.

That leaves him with CPR Doctor, Vig, Mafia, Useless Doctor (and insomniac was killed by someone else)

The likely scenarios for me right now seem to have O / RobZ being the jailkeeper - jailing Galz - and I'm the vig / cpr doctor... that or Galz is mafia - and I'm vig / useless doctor.

[jotheonah]

Clarification: if the weak doctor targets someone who is to be killed - does he prevent the kill?

Yes, that's what the weak doctor's power is.

The weak doctor dies if he targets mafia, that's all.

Right. And furthermore, he still protects that mafia that night.

[Captain_Frisk]

Right. And furthermore, he still protects that mafia that night.

Thanks for patching me up doc? *stab*   That's just mean!

[Captain_Frisk]

Another possibility is that that Galz was jailkept, and TINAS was the weak doctor and targeted mafia. 

If he followed one of the guidelines - then he targeted Me or O.  3 of us know know that the Weak Doctor targeting Mafia Frisk isn't a valid solution.  The other possibility would be mafia O + me as weak doctor (or vig)

O did declare his target after RobZ - 5 hours after originally posting in the thread - which was also a "Well that sucks tell" (gotta represent pops if he isn't here)

efff.... anybody but the Herbalist damnit..

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells

[Galzria]

Zxc targeted Insomniac solo right?

So he can't be:

Apothecary (Doctor)
Apprentice (Target wasn't Mafia)
Possessor (insomniac was not Jailed)

That leaves:
Golem (Possible if he was the only one to target Insomniac, as it appears)
Alchemist (Vig, same as Golem)
Stoned P. (If Insomniac was Apprentice and target Mafia. Less likely than 1st two)
Familiar (See: Golem / Alch)

Is this right?

[Robz888]

Well, we don't know if Z was Jailkept.

[Robz888]

If we assume he wasn't, you are correct.

[Galzria]

But nobody claimed to target him.

[Galzria]

Town wouldn't have reason to lie about targets and we have all claims in.

[Robz888]

But we don't know who the dead targeted.

[Galzria]

But we don't know who the dead targeted.

Ah, forgot them. Point taken.

[Galzria]

Well, I'm going to do my best based on what we HAVE been told, since the information of the dead is largely unrecoverable at this time.

[zxcvbn2]

But we don't know who the dead targeted.

Well, Insomniac didn't have a power, correct? Or did he gain one after the lynch? And most likely TINAS targeted O or Frisk, depending on which list he decided to follow.

[Robz888]

But we don't know who the dead targeted.

Well, Insomniac didn't have a power, correct? Or did he gain one after the lynch? And most likely TINAS targeted O or Frisk, depending on which list he decided to follow.

That's true!! We know Insomniac's doesn't matter. So it's just TINAS. And, we'll just assume he didn't target Z, because that makes it all easier.

[Galzria]

Yuma targeted Frisk solo, correct?

That means Yuma cannot be:

Apprentice (Nobody protected Yuma, so if Frisk were Mafia, Yuma should've died)
Golem (C.F. Wasn't targeted by anybody else, so wasn't NK'd)
Alchemist (C.F. Wasn't protected by anybody else)
Familiar (See Alch)

That leaves the following that Yuma could be:

Apothecary
Possessor (in which case Frisk was jailed)
Stoned P.

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Lots of notes here:

Apprentice is broken if the dead protected Yuma, in which case Frisk IS Mafia
Golem is broken if the Mafia targeted Frisk
Familiar / Alch are broken if the dead protected Frisk

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How's that Robz?

[Galzria]

Since I can't see TINAS targeting Yuma, Yuma is not the Apprentice.

[Captain_Frisk]

Since I can't see TINAS targeting Yuma, Yuma is not the Apprentice.

Wait - yuma can be the apprentice as long as I am not mafia - correct?

[Galzria]

Since I can't see TINAS targeting Yuma, Yuma is not the Apprentice.

Wait - yuma can be the apprentice as long as I am not mafia - correct?

Ah, you're right. I was looking too closely at what the power did (died if targeting Mafia), and didn't consider what it DIDN'T do (or in this case, nothing if you're town).

[Galzria]

So looking back then, it's likely that Yuma is not the Golem.

I said it was broken if Mafia target Frisk - and we have no indication that would be true (indeed, it's the case randomly 1/6 the time (there were 6 living town at the time orders were submitted))

It's also broken if TINAS targeted C.F. And was the Alchemist (Vig), which is also a low percentage that BOTH happened.

So while it's possible, it's unlikely Yuma is a Golem. (Did I miss any ways C.F. Could die?)

[jotheonah]

But we don't know who the dead targeted.

Well, Insomniac didn't have a power, correct? Or did he gain one after the lynch? And most likely TINAS targeted O or Frisk, depending on which list he decided to follow.

He gained ftl's power and had the option of using it N1. From now on I'm only answering questions bolded and directed at me.