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[Galzria]

Pops, I've got to ask, because I honestly disagree strongly, but you've said two things today that don't sit right with me:

#1. You claimed to be the likeliest choice for lynch D2, but never gave an explanation as to why. It sounded very survivalist. "Don't lynch me, I'm too obvious!"

#2. You claimed that I am somehow above being lynched. Again, like above, it reads as a reverse psychology play. In question 1 you say you're likely to be lynched, to prevent it from happening. In question 2 you say I'm unlynchable, in an attempt to rile the town into lynching me.

Both are very odd things to say - so I'm not quite sure what to make of them.

In regards to the second point, I am NOT above being lynched, although doing so without a solid plan to lynch scum after my death would be a mistake. If a townie dies today instead of Mafia, I want them to do so giving us the best chance at Mafia tomorrow. That stands for my own death as well as any others.

[popsofctown]

Also, and you can't disagree, I guarantee you if grujah were at-the-keyboard he would happily be voting on one of the leading wagons.

[popsofctown]

Pops, I've got to ask, because I honestly disagree strongly, but you've said two things today that don't sit right with me:

#1. You claimed to be the likeliest choice for lynch D2, but never gave an explanation as to why. It sounded very survivalist. "Don't lynch me, I'm too obvious!"

#2. You claimed that I am somehow above being lynched. Again, like above, it reads as a reverse psychology play. In question 1 you say you're likely to be lynched, to prevent it from happening. In question 2 you say I'm unlynchable, in an attempt to rile the town into lynching me.

Both are very odd things to say - so I'm not quite sure what to make of them.

In regards to the second point, I am NOT above being lynched, although doing so without a solid plan to lynch scum after my death would be a mistake. If a townie dies today instead of Mafia, I want them to do so giving us the best chance at Mafia tomorrow. That stands for my own death as well as any others.

Sorry for being right?  Your lynch is unpopular.  Mine is popular.  It's an observation of the votes and opinions of the town, not reverse psychology.  I can't remember the context, but when I originally said that I'm sure it was involved with making a pertinent point.

[Robz888]

Grujah obviously adjusted his play to just survive. He was talking much more at first, and did that early bandwagon vote without explanation, and then drew immediate criticism and suspicion, and then pretty much shut up. The thing is, since he's new, I could see him doing this to just survive whether he was town or mafia.

.... Although, uh, maybe he's probably mafia, yes? Don't know why I talked myself out of suspecting Grujah.

[popsofctown]

It's ok Robz.  Nobody's perfect.  I have manlove for you anyways

[Galzria]

Also, and you can't disagree, I guarantee you if grujah were at-the-keyboard he would happily be voting on one of the leading wagons.

Grujah's absence is an entirely different can of worms. He is well, well below the AC.

[Axxle]

I'm thinking Grujah is just too busy to play and will just have to be replaced. But we'll see the results of the prod.

[popsofctown]

Also, and you can't disagree, I guarantee you if grujah were at-the-keyboard he would happily be voting on one of the leading wagons.

Grujah's absence is an entirely different can of worms. He is well, well below the AC.

AC?

[Voltgloss]

Those prodded have 48 hours to respond or risk replacement.  Prods were sent last night around 10:30 pm EDT, so SFS and Grujah have until that time tomorrow (Thursday) to respond in the thread.

[Galzria]

Also, and you can't disagree, I guarantee you if grujah were at-the-keyboard he would happily be voting on one of the leading wagons.

Grujah's absence is an entirely different can of worms. He is well, well below the AC.

AC?

Activity Constant.

 http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Activity_Constant

[jotheonah]

So now that MIII is over, I can say some things I wanted to say about Galzria.

Basically, he read me so well that game that I have a very high respect for his reads. As a result, I've been inclined to trust him this game on well-articulated arguments and become suspicious OF him at times when he didn't seem to have a suspect.  Some of my sheepy-looking votes can be chalked up to this, but I wasn't allowed to properly explain at the time.

[Axxle]

So now that MIII is over, I can say some things I wanted to say about Galzria Jotheonah.

I thought he has been behaving pretty similarly but not exactly this game as in MIII, where he was scum.  He's behaving differently enough that I think he's more likely mafia than SK.

[jotheonah]

meta meta meta

[Galzria]

So now that MIII is over, I can say some things I wanted to say about Galzria Jotheonah.

I thought he has been behaving pretty similarly but not exactly this game as in MIII, where he was scum.  He's behaving differently enough that I think he's more likely mafia than SK.

Wait, whys my name crossed out?? What did I do?

[Captain_Frisk]

meta meta meta

For real?  just 1 posts earlier, you started playing meta justifying your trust of Galz!

[Captain_Frisk]

Wait, whys my name crossed out?? What did I do?

He was stealing from J's format.

[Galzria]

So now that MIII is over, I can say some things I wanted to say about Galzria Jotheonah.

I thought he has been behaving pretty similarly but not exactly this game as in MIII, where he was scum.  He's behaving differently enough that I think he's more likely mafia than SK.

Wait, whys my name crossed out?? What did I do?

XXX

Never mind. *deletes post* I hadn't read Jo's post prior to yours. Makes sense now.

[jotheonah]

meta meta meta

For real?  just 1 posts earlier, you started playing meta justifying your trust of Galz!

There's a difference between "X is playing like X played in game Y" meta and "Game Y showed me that X is a good player in general" meta. One is much shakier than the other.

[Galzria]

Ahh, so much Meta to be had from M-III.

Let's see... Let's just get it ALL out, then we can move on:

I pegged Jo and Volt as scum D1, but didn't know how to play town myself, and got lynched for it.

Robz pegged Eevee and Volt D1, but didn't know how to play town well, and almost got lynched for it. He did die to the Mafia N1 for being on the right track (3 Mafia who are not in this game)

Jo played steady, but increasingly erratic as preassure grew. He roleclaimed after some, but not a lot, of suspicion was cast his way.

Axxle joined in, inherited Cop, and played a strong game leading the town from dark times. He was assertive when needed, and vague when it served. Very directional thinker.

O played a straight forward game. He had me in fumes early, but I believe that is his style of play. It hasn't bugged me so much this game, but probably because I expect it. He wasn't overly helpful to the town in any lynches driven, but he didn't get himself lynched, which was very valuable at the end.

Dsell played erratic, with many scum tells, and might've been lynched if not for roles providing better targets. He's appeared to play less scummy here - take from that what you will.

Does that covert it all? Can we move forward now? I really don't like meta-gaming. I'll use out lightly, but never to build a case around one way or another.

[Captain_Frisk]

I pegged Jo and Volt as scum D1, but didn't know how to play town myself, and got lynched for it.

[snip]

Does that covert it all? Can we move forward now? I really don't like meta-gaming. I'll use out lightly, but never to build a case around one way or another.

You failed to mention that I am terrible at reading scum and got you lynched.

[Robz888]

What I learned from MIII is that I should trust my reads! They were pretty damn good. I nailed Eevee immediately, and had a good sense that Volt was mafia, mainly because he was buying Dsell's case against me, which was bogus. Which brings me to the other main takeaway: Dsell.

Dsell really irritated me in III, because he was hellbent on mislynching me and then shifting the blame away. It was really scummy, in my opinion. But hey, he wasn't mafia. In this game, I've felt like Dsell is an asset, with some good reads, and I get no feeling that he is scum. But it's interesting that when I did think he was scum, he wasn't.

Anyway, Eevee essentially fit my model for how a newbie mafia would play. He fit it to a T. A middling number of posts early on, lots fo humor, mixed with serious analysis, mixed with hedgin, hedging, hedging. By hedging, I mean saying, "Well, it could be X, but on the other hand, not X." And emoticons!

Nobody in IV is playing quite so much like that.

[popsofctown]

But eevee is so good at dominion.

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote Count 2-13

Galzria (1): popsofctown
O (1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
jotheonah (4): Dsell, Tables, Robz888, Axxle
popsofctown (3): Galzria, jotheonah, Glooble
Glooble (1): O

Not voting {2}: Grujah, Captain_Frisk

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Lynch Deadline:  Monday, June 25, 9:59 a.m. EDT

So it looks like we stalled again.

I'm looking at the above and I'm struggling.  Galz's pops argument I found convincing - but I look at the rest of the wagon (the scumtwins) and I get nervous.  The J wagon has less suspicious characters (pops' scumcusations of Axxle2 not withstanding)

Those on the J bandwagon - If we lynch J - and he turns up town - what have we learned? Where do we go next?

Those on the popswagon - I assume if he flips town we lynch Galz?

[Galzria]

Vote Count 2-13

Galzria (1): popsofctown
O (1): SwitchedFromStarcraft
jotheonah (4): Dsell, Tables, Robz888, Axxle
popsofctown (3): Galzria, jotheonah, Glooble
Glooble (1): O

Not voting {2}: Grujah, Captain_Frisk

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Lynch Deadline:  Monday, June 25, 9:59 a.m. EDT

So it looks like we stalled again.

I'm looking at the above and I'm struggling.  Galz's pops argument I found convincing - but I look at the rest of the wagon (the scumtwins) and I get nervous.  The J wagon has less suspicious characters (pops' scumcusations of Axxle2 not withstanding)

Those on the J bandwagon - If we lynch J - and he turns up town - what have we learned? Where do we go next?

Those on the popswagon - I assume if he flips town we lynch Galz?

I asked those questions not long ago. I'd be willing to lynch J if I got a good answer, but thus far I have not.

[Axxle]

If J comes up town, I would consider Glooble town.  I think mafia-Glooble would have been fine being linked with J-town since if mafia-Glooble was lynched he'd take J-town down with him, and if J-town is lynched we'd trust mafia-Glooble more.