Aside from Jo, which was just ugh, I haven't really seen anything that has given me any real red flags. By now I expect there will be some random accusations and lots of voting and unvoting (read: already happening) and eventually we will get somewhere. I like having extra time, to comment on that debate. I don't want to try to lynch too early. In my EXPERIENCE (*cough*MIII*cough*) ahem... being on a deadline got us all to vote but it made things really heated and desperate. I'd rather have too much time than too little. Don't have to use it all.
This is post #203 from me. Yep, I'm all for having plenty of time, not being on a strict deadline. I love that we have three weeks here rather than 1 week like in MIII. But I haven't changed my position at all! "I don't want to try to lynch too early." A too-early lynch is nothing but anti-town. It's just almost inevitable that there will be mafia aboard the bandwagon. That's why I pulled away from the pops bandwagon even though I really wanted to vote. It didn't feel right, it built up too fast and it was too early.
Theorel, you're accusing me of changing my position and now favoring an early lynch. This is not at all true, I don't want an early lynch! But we are no longer in the early stages of this game. We have almost thirty-five pages already because this game has been very accelerated. The fact that nearly everyone has cast one or more serious votes should be proof that it is no longer too soon for a lynch. So the thrust of your argument against me is just wrong, and I'm really struggling to see where you're getting this suspicion from. Yes, this game is moving faster than I thought it would (we are nearly to MIII's post count after just 48 hours!!) and frankly I was the very last person to cast a serious vote (#730) because I want to take time to consider and reread what people have said with SO much content. However, I feel rock-solid in my jo vote, especially because he's deciding to lay low now that things are dying down.
And since you, Robz, and Axxle all disagreed with me. And the posting was so slow that nothing really happened...
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It seems to me that there are at least 4 people that disagree with you. It sounds to me, based on what's been said that: I disagree, Tables disagrees*, Galzria disagrees, and Axxle disagrees. Robz seems to agree with you. Objectively I don't see how you can think the second bandwagon of any substance is late in the day. Post-count is irrelevant to game stage, that's a weak argument.
As to serious votes: I had not yet cast a serious vote (if Grujah had picked up speed I would have thought of him as a mafia fall-boy, but joth stole the show so my experiment failed). I don't believe pops has cast a "serious" vote (dunno what that would look like). I feel unconfident of any of O's votes being serious (though maybe I misread him). Galz hadn't cast one yet (that's why he jumped off the joth-wagon). Tables hadn't cast one (he was nervous about 6 votes). SFS hadn't cast one (he wanted to "see what would happen", though his previous vote on Robz might be characterized as serious, I can't imagine any first-vote on someone as serious...it's always a feel-them-out vote). Which means that I wouldn't have characterized Green_Opal's vote as serious (although I think he had clarified that he was happy sticking around). Maybe you really misread the game-state there?
You were the last one to cast a vote before the bandwagon started falling apart. I think you believed it would continue, and didn't want to be the hammer (I certainly wondered if I'd wake up to night 1). You were trying to keep the ball rolling to make that lynch in spite of at least 3 people's misgivings (mine, Glooble's and Table's).
Finally, MIII. Which I can't comment on.
PS: I'm really sorry if this is pushing the bounds of references to that game...I understand more and more why any reference to an ongoing mafia-game is bad.
Finally, that wasn't the whole of my argument, just the first point. You've ignored the rest, I guess that's because it is scummy and you can't defend it.
*based on his unvote, though the game had moved along a little by your post so this may not be true.
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I'm biased...I think you're mafia, so I'm not actually reconsidering my position. You've tried to pick apart my argument which makes me naturally want to defend it. We could go back and forth, but what's the point? You could ignore me, and I could read that as deflecting. You could go black, and I could point out that you went away from a losing argument and make Robz vote for you. There is no case in which your words have any value to me...if i make exceptions I'll just be persecuting personalities that I disagree with. And you're not even under pressure yet.
For myself, I don't really feel pressure...so I know it won't give an accurate read on me. For further evidence: MI: townies cracked under pressure, mafia were smooth (Ozle and Axxle didn't even start to crack at any point in their defense...Robz was even convinced that Ozle was townie). MII: townies cracked under pressure, mafia didn't (not that there was much pressure there). So, yeah, no value there.
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