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[Axxle]

Since when is "Be completely random" and "Lurk" a dichotomy?

[Glooble]

"Be silent and out of the way as VT" seems like crap to me since it just provides a great hole for the mafia to hide under aswell.

It seems to me that any way you can play town that convinces that town that you are town would also be a way to play Mafia and convince the town that you are town. in other words, if there really was a surefire way not to arouse suspicion, I would be suspicious of anyone employing it, so its sort of a big Catch-22.

Given that, I can see the appeal of O's strategy.

On the other hand, "be random and wacky" also seems like a great way to "hide in plain site" as the Mafia; ie "he can't be scum, no one plays scum that badly."

So I"m going to be wary of O this game, but right now I'm not any more suspicious of him than anyone else. I'm going to read the post so far and see if anyone jumps out as suspicious the second time around.

[Axxle]

Since when is "Be completely random" and "Lurk" a dichotomy?

or I should say the only two options.

[Voltgloss]

Fifteen people, realizing perhaps that tensions were running far too high for useful discussion, retired to the Cellar to partake of the now-deceased Lord's wine collection.  He wouldn't be needing it.

Fifteen minutes later there had been another frenzy of brainstormed lynch suggestions, along with two drained casks, one heavily damaged cask which contents were found disagreeable, and a rapidly consumed wheel of pungent cheese.  One could almost say the participants had Remodeled the Cellar into a Feast. 

Vote Count 1-2

Galzria (1) - Captain_Frisk
Insomniac (1) - popsofctown
O (1) - SwitchedFromStarcraft
Axxle (2) - Galzria, O
popsofctown (1) - Insomniac

Not Voting (9) - Robz888, theorel, Glooble, Tables, Grujah, jotheonah, Axxle, Dsell, Green Opal

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Players comfortable with a discussion quicktopic (9) - Dsell, O, Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Insomniac, jotheonah, Glooble, Green Opal, Axxle

[jotheonah]

Since when is "Be completely random" and "Lurk" a dichotomy?

No one said it was. I'm just saying, we need town all along that spectrum. Except maybe at the ends.

[jotheonah]

[homersimpson] Hmmm... pungent cheese [/homersimpson]

[O]

Then again, if only you are like you there's still an easy mafia cover ... for you.

It's an interesting point, and one I worry about. Is it ok to play Mafia in such a way that benefits me across all games I play, instead of just one?

I'd like to point out though that it would be a very dangerous way to play as mafia: I frequently get myself pretty close to being lynched.

[Axxle]

Since when is "Be completely random" and "Lurk" a dichotomy?

No one said it was. I'm just saying, we need town all along that spectrum. Except maybe at the ends.

Sorry, I should have quoted, it sure sounds like O was saying that:

@SFS - I am starting to think that O employees a Day 1 strategy equivalent to "Always Play Random" In Rock-Paper Scissors Lizard Spock.

It's unbeatable, but it also doesn't win. 

He doesn't provide enough explicit dirt to get lynched, but he also doesn't provide any information to make anything he says especially trustworthy.  He will live through the day - Mafia won't nightkill him because he's been crazy enough to attract some suspicion - and then he can start playing for real the next day.

Honestly, nobody's ever confronted me with a strategy and convinced me its actually better.

"Be silent and out of the way as VT" seems like crap to me since it just provides a great hole for the mafia to hide under aswell.

[popsofctown]

I am not suspicious of him for voting a lurker.  Read my posts.

Ok, ok I read them and maybe I was oversimplifying, but doesn't that make Green Opal just as suspicious? I mean insomniac obviously has different reasons for using his vote than you do, but we just had like a whole page of trollvotes. I just do NOT find a vote to get a lurker to talk suspicious. I'm not gonna do it myself but I find it odd that you are really serious about your vote.

Nope.

[Glooble]

I'd like to point out though that it would be a very dangerous way to play as mafia: I frequently get myself pretty close to being lynched.

Ah, but don't forget Rule of Acquisition #62 - the riskier the road, the greater the profits.

@jototheonah
15 people is a lot. It's going to get very difficult for me to keep everything straight in my head.

[Glooble]

That being said, the longer I spent reading MII and MIII the more I got a sense for people's voices. I hope that will happen here too. And of course, the number of people will inevitably decrease.

[Dsell]

It seems to me that any way you can play town that convinces that town that you are town would also be a way to play Mafia and convince the town that you are town.

This sentence hurt my brain. >.< But, it does make some sense. I think there is a limit to how much you can get out of playstyle. People play differently game to game, people play the same, people (townies and mafia) follow the tides of the game. So you can get some from playstyle, but it's not foolproof.

So for me right now I'm not overly suspicious of anyone but I am a bit...confused by pops' vote and his insistence on keeping it. Still hoping for a response to my post at 270.

Pre-post edit: got the response, no substance. Still hoping for something more.

[Galzria]

I'd like to point out though that it would be a very dangerous way to play as mafia: I frequently get myself pretty close to being lynched.

Ah, but don't forget Rule of Acquisition #62 - the riskier the road, the greater the profits.

@jototheonah
15 people is a lot. It's going to get very difficult for me to keep everything straight in my head.

Tables did something smart in M-II: He made an excel sheet that he could keep short thoughts for each person on, with the respective post numbers to refer back to. Then you don't have to reread everything 1000 times later on.

[popsofctown]

Your question answered itself.  Your misunderstanding arises for oversimplification.

[O]

I am not suspicious of him for voting a lurker.  Read my posts.

Ok, ok I read them and maybe I was oversimplifying, but doesn't that make Green Opal just as suspicious? I mean insomniac obviously has different reasons for using his vote than you do, but we just had like a whole page of trollvotes. I just do NOT find a vote to get a lurker to talk suspicious. I'm not gonna do it myself but I find it odd that you are really serious about your vote.

Nope.

Ok.

[Dsell]

Tables did something smart in M-II: He made an excel sheet that he could keep short thoughts for each person on, with the respective post numbers to refer back to. Then you don't have to reread everything 1000 times later on.

...but you have to make an excel spreadsheet and take detailed notes on the postings of 15 players...

No but really, that's actually a good idea. I don't have time to do that, though. So far I've been able to keep up.

[Dsell]

Your question answered itself.  Your misunderstanding arises for oversimplification.

Who are you talking to? If you are talking to me, I just reread my post and did not ask a question.

[popsofctown]

Your question answered itself.  Your misunderstanding arises for oversimplification.

Who are you talking to? If you are talking to me, I just reread my post and did not ask a question.

the original question

[Glooble]

Your question answered itself.  Your misunderstanding arises for oversimplification.

pops, it would be helpful to me if you could tell us who you are replying to with this kind of statement. There is a lot going on and it might make things a bit less confusing.

@Dsell: This game makes my brain hurt.

[Galzria]

Let's make it our goal to be the first F.DS mafia town to lynch scum Day 1! I believe in us. We can do it.

Well, if you want to find scum so much today (admirable goal, who doesn't? (aside from scum)), what are your proposed methods? What are you going to look for? I think you would agree nobody is going to jump up and down screaming "Me! Pick me! I'm scum!". So, what should we look fir?

J, I never felt you satisfactorily revisited and answered this. Would you mind doing so? Especially in light of the discussion that anything Town can do to appear Town, so Mafia can do to appear Town.

[Captain_Frisk]

Your question answered itself.  Your misunderstanding arises for oversimplification.

This is really interesting.  I have a mental view of you and your style based on your moderation of M1 - but you're completely different over here. 

I am inherently suspicious of anyone who seems confident that they know what they are doing - like there is some kindof master plan.  Maybe its just lack of experience, but it seems like there's really no way to truly have that level of confidence.  I'm keeping an eye on you.


Pre Post Edit - 6 MORE?
Oh - and Unvote  I'm not really any more suspicious of Galzria than anyone else at this point.

[Galzria]

Tables did something smart in M-II: He made an excel sheet that he could keep short thoughts for each person on, with the respective post numbers to refer back to. Then you don't have to reread everything 1000 times later on.

...but you have to make an excel spreadsheet and take detailed notes on the postings of 15 players...

No but really, that's actually a good idea. I don't have time to do that, though. So far I've been able to keep up.

I don't do it either, but it seemed smart if you don't have three energy to pour over a rapidly moving thread multiple times.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Vote: Quicktopic

@O: Puppies of large dogs are cute. I've not encountered puppies of yappy-type dogs enough times to form an opinion on them.
I'm fine with smart children, but there are a lot of obnoxious, loud, undisciplined children that I prefer to stay clear of me.
I think this is where I say: God Bless America.

UNVOTE
Vote: Axxle (for the above post)

@ALL: Can we get more focused on gleaning actionable information?  This is going to be incredibly unwieldy 6 weeks from now at the end of Day 3, when there could still be as many as 12 people in the game.

[O]

unvote

I managed to miss Axxle's response until SFS brought it up.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Vote: Quicktopic

@O: Puppies of large dogs are cute. I've not encountered puppies of yappy-type dogs enough times to form an opinion on them.
I'm fine with smart children, but there are a lot of obnoxious, loud, undisciplined children that I prefer to stay clear of me.
I think this is where I say: God Bless America.

UNVOTE
Vote: Axxle (for the above post)

@ALL: Can we get more focused on gleaning actionable information?  This is going to be incredibly unwieldy 6 weeks from now at the end of Day 3, when there could still be as many as 12 people in the game.

Reposted to bold the unvote and the re-vote