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[Eevee]

Robz, the thing is, its pretty much 0% Galzria would have almost self-hammered rather than claimed if he was a power townie so that already makes him a better-than-random target. I dont think anyone is SURE Galzria is scum (majority of us are townies after all), but given randomlynch>nolynch and the fact that his behaviour looks so irrational for a clean person, I'm feeling pretty good about having my vote on him (first time in this game I might add).

[Galzria]

That is dead on why Robz. SO, if you turn out to have played me, /applause. But I believe you're town. Even now.

[Robz888]

Now nothing left to do but survive the night. Protector roles, my life is likely in your hands. Though I will say on record that I won't use my power this night.

But if you DO use your power, we could verify your claim at least. Minus a serial killer and some other problems.

That is dead on why Robz. SO, if you turn out to have played me, /applause. But I believe you're town. Even now.

And I you.

[Galzria]

I'm at 7 now Eevee, and town.

[Robz888]

Is that really 7? Ah, I see that it is. O, you listed 6 people but wrote 5 votes next to Galzria. Confused me.

[Eevee]

oh typing on ipad (while playing poker) is sooo slow, i guess my last post became unnecessary.

[Dsell]

Assuming Galz is town (he has no reason to continue to claim town after death...):

Town: Really think about the implications of his townness overnight. Don't take this time off so much...reread and analyze motivations, look at who was really really for lynching him and who was really really against it (I guess no one really?). Let's try to go into day 2 with cooler heads and confidence knowing that we have SOMETHING real to go on and analyze for once.

Galzria: Why were you crazy?

[Galzria]

Confused me at first too Robz. Didn't feel like correcting. Glad you noticed.

[Robz888]

And Protective Roles.... think logically. Protect the most likely targets, please.

[Dsell]

And Protective Roles.... think logically. Protect the most likely targets, please.

Yes. This. For once, I really really agree with Robz. XD

[Galzria]

Because a lynch HAD to happen, I WASN'T a power role, and there is a LOT to be gained from looking st what I said, and who went after me and why.

[Galzria]

Notice I "snapped" at a 3-3-3 vote (none on me). To protect unknown powers, and since I couldn't convince to lynch J today, I - wait - HAD CONVICTION about needing a lynch, even a known townie. Even me.

[Captain_Frisk]

In before thread lock - i started doing some thinking about the situations of whether Galz was or was not Mafia, and then when I got ready to post it, it looks like Galz was hammered....  this was written before I saw the hammer fall.

In the event that I'm night killed - here are my thoughts:

Option A:
Galzria is town.  There is probably at least 1 mafia voting for him currently.  I would expect them to not put all 3 on one side of the vote / no vote line.  I would expect 2, but they would probably be happy to accomplish it with only 1.


Here I'm vaguely suspicious of:

eHalcyon - who to date has been pretty quiet - yet he jumped in at just the right time to fire us up while we're all in a frenzy to make sure we don't no-lynch.
jotheona - when Galzria wasn't raging - some of his points made sense.  I REALLY don't like the roleclaim.

DSell - for the reasons that others have pointed out in the past.  Not a strong suspicious
O - Crazy.  I don't see myself ever not suspecting O - but he's too crazy for me to feel confident about anything he says.

Option B:
Galzria is mafia.  It seems unlikely that other mafia would vote for him, but maybe 1 would just a hedge?
Galzria clearly won't vote for himself.

That leaves potential mafia as
def, Voltgloss, michaeljb, yuma, morgrim, RobZ

RobZ's refusal to vote is interesting and it was interesting how strongly Galzria defended him earlier - although this seemed strange - vs. explicitly mafia.

The others I don't have much of a read on - morgrim is morgrim, yuma has been quiet.  Volt and Michael have been neutral in my mind - which I guess is a mafia thing to do?

Rob has basically as good as said he's not voting.

Option C:
Galzria is serial killer - this could be an excuse for his behavior.  It wouldn't be mafia - but the mafia would probably want to keep him around because he's so suspicious, so he can last longer killing folks at night.

[O]

Is that really 7? Ah, I see that it is. O, you listed 6 people but wrote 5 votes next to Galzria. Confused me.

I copied-pasted the list and moved Dsells name without changing numbers, sorry.

[eHalcyon]

Now nothing left to do but survive the night. Protector roles, my life is likely in your hands. Though I will say on record that I won't use my power this night.

I disagree with this.  You're still suspicious; the Mafia is unlikely to target you.  If there is a doctor around, I think they could do more good elsewhere.  As for a jailkeeper... I suppose you don't intend to use your claimed power tonight?  The problem then is, did you just not use it or did you not have it to begin with?  But if you use it you might hit another townie.

It's a difficult problem.  If you are what you say you are, I have no idea what the best move would be in your shoes.

[michaeljb]

I just now caught up, and was thinking Morgrim's vote was #6, and that's your fault, O! In your recent vote count post it says 5 votes, but then lists 6. Since I didn't read fast enough to vote, I suppose it doesn't really matter, but I'm going to weigh in with some thoughts anyway.

The thing about Galz that bugs me the most was the self-vote, oh-wait-I-can-be-hammered-now-so-nevermind. After all his conviction and standing by it, and pointing that behavior out, this self vote was a little nuts--of course there was quite a bit of pressure on him, could have snapped and table-flipped, guess we'll find out soon. FWIW I was leaning towards voting Galz, but was hoping for a bit more time. (also how this all played out definitely reminds me of Volt warning how quick bandwagons could fill up--it was quite a turn around from 3-3-3 to hammering not one of those three...)

Morgrim delivering the hammer while saying he's sure Galz is town is definitely very suspicious to me, and he hasn't really done anything to remove my earlier suspicion.

Still somewhat suspicious of jonah, but with a roleclaim it does make sense that lynching him would be the wrong move, hopefully something happens backing up that roleclaim.

Those were the three that were the most on my radar, but I'm gonna add I'm a little upset at def for his inactivity...his last post here coming May 31, and if you check his profile he did post in the forum on June 1. Oh well.

pre-post edit: and jeez, 17 new replies while I'm typing this? dang.

[Captain_Frisk]

Now nothing left to do but survive the night. Protector roles, my life is likely in your hands. Though I will say on record that I won't use my power this night.

I disagree with this.  You're still suspicious; the Mafia is unlikely to target you.  If there is a doctor around, I think they could do more good elsewhere.  As for a jailkeeper... I suppose you don't intend to use your claimed power tonight?  The problem then is, did you just not use it or did you not have it to begin with?  But if you use it you might hit another townie.

It's a difficult problem.  If you are what you say you are, I have no idea what the best move would be in your shoes.

He could kill himself and disprove Galzria?

[Galzria]

I believe the information is all out on the table now to produce a town win. Don't waste my death, and don't be hoodwinked by the Mafia. I'll be rooting for you.

[eHalcyon]

eHalcyon - who to date has been pretty quiet - yet he jumped in at just the right time to fire us up while we're all in a frenzy to make sure we don't no-lynch.

I have not been quiet, and I've been present the entire time.  If I wanted to ensure a no lynch, why would I start in on someone who had 0 votes?  In the end, I thought we were going to end up in no-lynch territory and I stated that I was fine with it.  In fact, I discussed with Galzria about why I thought no lynch would be fine, vs. his notion that it was better to lynch townie than none.

[eHalcyon]

To clarify -- I've been around all through the early game.  I was gone most of yesterday and also this morning, but I gave advanced warning.  When I returned, I caught up and addressed the discussion made so far.

For better or worse, I've been far more active than many others.

[eHalcyon]

Now nothing left to do but survive the night. Protector roles, my life is likely in your hands. Though I will say on record that I won't use my power this night.

I disagree with this.  You're still suspicious; the Mafia is unlikely to target you.  If there is a doctor around, I think they could do more good elsewhere.  As for a jailkeeper... I suppose you don't intend to use your claimed power tonight?  The problem then is, did you just not use it or did you not have it to begin with?  But if you use it you might hit another townie.

It's a difficult problem.  If you are what you say you are, I have no idea what the best move would be in your shoes.

He could kill himself and disprove Galzria?

Can Vigilante actually target himself? 

Even if he can, doesn't seem like a good move.

[jotheonah]

OMG YOU CAN'T LYNCH ME I HAVE TO SUICIDE.
uh... no.

[Galzria]

My reasons (again, and for reference) are posts #860, & 861.

[O]

I believe the information is all out on the table now to produce a town win. Don't waste my death, and don't be hoodwinked by the Mafia. I'll be rooting for you.

I believe he's trying to tell you all to lynch me and J, just sayin'.

[yuma]

Gaah.... I am back and exhausted after a long drive.

I skimmed over the soooo many new pages to read. I don't have much of substance to add at this point because 1. I am exhausted and 2. I only skimmed over the reading.

I am not even going to try to read everything and get a substantive post before the lock. I am tired. The only thing I have to say echos eHalcyon. I would like jotheonah to try to use his power, but the decision is his. I don't fully understand these roles and the possible repercussions for using them, but if jotheonah really is this power role I think he would understand best when to use it. But not using it doesn't help us trust you any more.

I'll see you all after the night.