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[WrathOfGlod]

Who would be interested in playing a forum resistance game?
We need at least 5 people + 1 person to hand out roles.
Also mention if you are interested in playing with the plot cards

[Morgrim7]

I hav no idea what you are talking about, but if it is fun, I am in.

[WrathOfGlod]

For people interested in learning about "The Resistance" here is the BGG link:
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/41114/the-resistance
First 10 people to sign up will get in, later people will have priority for later games.

[Morgrim7]

Im in.

[Thisisnotasmile]

Yes, yes, a million times yes.

I prefer no plot cards but then again that's just because they don't go well with the variant my group play with the most (which is official but as yet unreleased).

[ftl]

Awesome! I'm a big fan of Resistance!

I'm in, if that's ok (I'm also in one of the Mafia games).

I 100% vote plot cards. More actual information going around distinguishes it from Mafia, more reasoning based on what people do and less stuff based on "acting suspicious".

[Grujah]

I'd play.

can't.

[WrathOfGlod]

So we need a list of rules decisions to determine the setup (I've only played like 2-3 times)
1. Should spies know each others identities?
1a. If they do is pregame communication allowed with eachother via PM
2. Plot Cards?
2a. If we do should we play with the Opinion Maker (One player must vote publicly and first) card? (My feeling is no because it will slow down the game too much)
3. Should voting be simultaneous (PM to the mod and then reveal) or is public posting in the forum acceptable?

[Thisisnotasmile]

Of course spies should know each others' identities, but they should not be allowed to communicate by PM... at all. It's not enforcable but spies can't communicate privately in real life so that's how it should be. Getting two fails on a mission is a huge blow to spies and it will never happen if they can communicate.

[ftl]

My votes for that:
1. Slight preference for yes
1a. Slight preference for No. In IRL resistance, there's no hidden communication at all, we can keep that here, no pms between players. Extra communication makes things a little easier for the spies in the case where they both go on a mission.
2. Yes!
2a. Doesn't matter to me, I suppose.
3. Simultaneous; it eliminates a little bit of bandwagoning, since there won't be any people who know their votes don't matter.

...but I've never played forum resistance, so if anyone has and knows which ways turn out best, I'd be happy to defer.

[Axxle]

I'm a little overwhelmed with mafia at the moment, I would have liked to play if that wasn't the case.  I have never played resistance without plot cards myself, I thought they were an ingenious addition to the game!

[ftl]

Yeah, that's a fair point...

I'd prefer to wait until my Mafia game is over, but I don't want to miss the Resistance game, so I'm conflicted.

[edit]I guess I might sit this one out. It's starting a little later than the mafia, and depending on the time to take turns and so on, I'll have to miss some of it because I'll be very sporadic for a week in early June, 7th through 17th. I told pops about that before starting the mafia game too, he said that that would still work for the mafia game, but it probably wouldn't here. [/edit]

[Robz888]

Sounds fun! I would play, but since I'm already an active player in both Mafia games, I should probably sit this one out and give others a chance. Not to mention a third game would be too much to keep track of. In the future, I would play though!

[Tables]

I have moderated games of forum resistance before, and in fact am running one in progress over on another forum. It's here if you want to take a look (and from the topic name you can probably guess, there's a third and a second and a first one - the first wasn't run with the proper rules, the 2nd kinda was but didn't work properly (tried to make it work for 11 players - don't do that), the 3rd was a full game with the correct rules). A few things in e.g. the rules require a little familiarity with the mafia system and general forum workings but nothing should be overly confusing.

It's not much effort to run, so if you guys want I'd be happy to do so. If not, I'm also happy to send my spreadsheet (google docs) to whoever does decide to run the games, as that pretty much does everything automatically for you. It's equiped for Mission Targeting and sorta equiped for plot cards.

[Galzria]

I'll look it over, but would likely be interested as well. After my current Mafia game though.

[Kuildeous]

Sounds interesting. I couldn't find the full rulebook at that, but I did look over the quick reference guide.

Count me in.

I have little opinion on the game questions. I get the impression that spies do know their identities IRL, so that should happen here. Since F2F games do not allow spies to communicate, I would say not here. It wouldn't take much for the spies to quickly devise a code. "If I ever say 'purple' that means I will sabotage it. If I ever say 'battleship' that means you should sabotage it." Or, you know, with actual code words that don't suck.

I leave it to the other players to determine the other settings.

[bozzball]

In.

[Tables]

With my death in Mafia II I'm now happy to play in this game if you don't want me to moderate.

[WrathOfGlod]

Currently we have
Tables,Bozzball,Kuildeous,Thisisnotasmile,Morgrim,WrathofGlod
That gives us 5 players and 1 moderator, I'd be willing to moderate unless anyone else would prefer.
Before I start I'd like to get confirmation+laast chance for other people to join

[Morgrim7]

Confirmation.

[Kuildeous]

Currently we have
Tables,Bozzball,Kuildeous,Thisisnotasmile,Morgrim,WrathofGlod
That gives us 5 players and 1 moderator, I'd be willing to moderate unless anyone else would prefer.
Before I start I'd like to get confirmation+laast chance for other people to join

Actually, I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with Mafia. I should drop out of this. Maybe I'll find someone who's playing it at Origins. Sorry.

[theory]

How does the forum game handle the simultaneous voting and such?

[Thisisnotasmile]

Send votes to the moderator who reveals them all together. I assume. Also confirming.

[eHalcyon]

I am interested.  Just learned The Resistance recently!

[theory]

So you'd need tons of deadlines, then?  More so than in Mafia, I imagine.

[WrathOfGlod]

Yeah but you need much less time for each deadline

[Tables]

I think all things considered, especially considering my current online activity, I'd rather mod than play. But I'd still like to play, so I won't feel hard done by if WoG wants to do it.

Regarding voting etc.: Yes, you need a lot of deadlines. I used short ones in my other game, but that's what they're used to. Mostly, there are three 'pause and wait' things in the game:

1: Mission leader proposing a mission
2: Votes being collected and tallied
3: Operatives on missions making their choice.

Thing is, 1+2 happen kinda simultaneously - you might need some time to talk a bit, but generally once a proposal has been made, you know how you're going to vote on it. The most common case where you DO need that extra time is if the leader made a very quick proposal, in which case, well, you haven't lost much time anyway. 3 is also generally very quick. There's no discussion to be had about it: Resistance members just need to tell the mod they're co-operating*, and spies can generally make their choice pretty quickly, and they can't exactly talk about it, so it might take a few minutes but that's chump change if you're given 24/48 hours.

So yes, there are more deadlines than Mafia, but for the most part, they don't need to be as long. Giving e.g. 5 days for the leader to propose a mission, plus 2 for voting (so 7 total regardless, the +2 to avoid the leader waiting too long and letting you discuss for longer if the leader makes a quick proposal) and 1 day for mission orders (or even taking all of these simultaneously as people vote, assuming the mission proposal passes) and it should be fine. It can potentially drag: You can theoretically have 25 proposals in a game, and with 7 days for each... yeah. But that's very unlikely, a normal game depending on the group playing will have about 6-12, and they won't necessarily take that amount of time. Perhaps 4+2 days would be better...

*Both decisions can of course be made during voting, although perhaps spies want to see the results of voting first, so best to give 1 day fixed for it.

TL;DR, More deadlines, but most coincide with each other.

[Robz888]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

[Voltgloss]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

[WanderingWinder]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

Just made me think of this gem:

When a friend of mine sees a girl he finds attractive, he remarks how he'd like to "Throne Room" or "King's Court" her.

[Galzria]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

.... Just, wow. Pure awesomeness Voltgloss. +++1

[WrathOfGlod]

Okay Tables if you would prefer to mod that would be fine (I'd prefer playing also).
Do you want me to set up the game and topic or do you want to set it up?

[Robz888]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

Not only did I King's Court myself, I King's Courted that King's Court, too.

And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....

Which is why I can play all the Mafia games and Resistance 

[Axxle]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

Not only did I King's Court myself, I King's Courted that King's Court, too.

And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....

Which is why I can play all the Mafia games and Resistance 

You can't King's Court the same thing twice, so this proves there's at least two of you.

[Galzria]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

Not only did I King's Court myself, I King's Courted that King's Court, too.

And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....

Which is why I can play all the Mafia games and Resistance 

You can't King's Court the same thing twice, so this proves there's at least two of you

Caught in the lie! Robz is guilty of... Something!
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[Morgrim7]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

Not only did I King's Court myself, I King's Courted that King's Court, too.

And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....

Which is why I can play all the Mafia games and Resistance 

You can't King's Court the same thing twice, so this proves there's at least two of you

Caught in the lie! Robz is guilty of... Something!

[/quote]Hmmmm, that means Robz has a seperate identity! Who is it? Probably someone on the forum!?!

[Axxle]

Oh, hell. I'll play if there's room and people will let me. I don't think I can resist Forum games.

Dear God man, I don't know how you keep track of two separate forum games, let alone three!  Did you King's Court yourself or what?

Not only did I King's Court myself, I King's Courted that King's Court, too.

And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....
And plays Robz888 again....

Which is why I can play all the Mafia games and Resistance 

You can't King's Court the same thing twice, so this proves there's at least two of you

Caught in the lie! Robz is guilty of... Something!

Hmmmm, that means Robz has a seperate identity! Who is it? Probably someone on the forum!?!

I think this just means he's not a prize, and there were at least 10 of him in the supply at some point.

[Galzria]

That means he's an Explorer or an Adventurer, both of whom like to get around.

[Morgrim7]

That means he's an Explorer or an Adventurer, both of whom like to get around.

Look at his title. He is a Witch! He used magic to clone himself. Who else on the forum do you think he is?

[Galzria]

That means he's an Explorer or an Adventurer, both of whom like to get around.

Look at his title. He is a Witch! He used magic to clone himself. Who else on the forum do you think he is?

Well, if that's true, then perhaps the last character of his name is his clone number. So to find his previous clone, we would have to find somebody who's name ended with the character '7'. Hmm.... I wonder...

[Morgrim7]

That means he's an Explorer or an Adventurer, both of whom like to get around.

Look at his title. He is a Witch! He used magic to clone himself. Who else on the forum do you think he is?

Well, if that's true, then perhaps the last character of his name is his clone number. So to find his previous clone, we would have to find somebody who's name ended with the character '7'. Hmm.... I wonder...

Shoot, they found me out!!!

[Galzria]

That means he's an Explorer or an Adventurer, both of whom like to get around.

Look at his title. He is a Witch! He used magic to clone himself. Who else on the forum do you think he is?

Well, if that's true, then perhaps the last character of his name is his clone number. So to find his previous clone, we would have to find somebody who's name ended with the character '7'. Hmm.... I wonder...

Shoot, they found me out!!!

Don't worry, we know you were just a clone of Jonts26

[Axxle]

That means he's an Explorer or an Adventurer, both of whom like to get around.

Look at his title. He is a Witch! He used magic to clone himself. Who else on the forum do you think he is?

Well, if that's true, then perhaps the last character of his name is his clone number. So to find his previous clone, we would have to find somebody who's name ended with the character '7'. Hmm.... I wonder...

Shoot, they found me out!!!

Don't worry, we know you were just a clone of Jonts26

Gasp!  Jonts26 -> 26 -> 2+6=8 -> 888 -> Robz888!

[Morgrim7]

That means he's an Explorer or an Adventurer, both of whom like to get around.

Look at his title. He is a Witch! He used magic to clone himself. Who else on the forum do you think he is?

Well, if that's true, then perhaps the last character of his name is his clone number. So to find his previous clone, we would have to find somebody who's name ended with the character '7'. Hmm.... I wonder...

Shoot, they found me out!!!

Don't worry, we know you were just a clone of Jonts26

Gasp!  Jonts26 -> 26 -> 2+6=8 -> 888 -> Robz888!

Gasp! Galzria -> G A L Z R I A -> Seven characters -> Now count the number of characters in Robz888 and Jonts26!!!

[Robz888]

Fun fact: I chose 888 because my birthdate is 8-8-88

[eHalcyon]

Fun fact: I chose 888 because my birthdate is 8-8-88

But then why not 8888?  Is this ANOTHER LIE?    Clearly a spy, don't send him on the next mission.

[Tables]

Well, there's a lot of talk and no new faces appearing... if we're happy for me to mod I'll review this thread and work out what rules to play with (plot cards, mission targeting etc.)

[Tables]

Actually, having looked through the thread, there's still a fair bit of ambiguity about who can/can't play and what rules to use. I don't really want to start a new thread so:

Everyone who has expressed interest, please bold an IN or OUT decision. There is still time to join even if you have not said anything yet. If you have any preference (even slight) about plot cards and mission targetting, please also add "Plot cards: YES/NO", and "Mission Targeting: YES/NO."

If you want to see the plot cards, they're here. 1 is drawn per round with 5-6 players, 2 with 7-8 and 3 with 9-10. The numbers of each card are: ... uh, I can check this on Saturday, could someone help by giving me the numbers now? Thanks.

Mission targetting is basically, the leader can choose which mission to go on. The numbers on each mission plus numbers of spies can be found here.

[eHalcyon]

IN

Plot cards: YES

Tables, if we use plot cards, will you be shuffling an actual deck of some sort to determine which ones get played each round?  How many of each plot card is in the deck?

[Thisisnotasmile]

In

Favourite official variant is Commander & Bodyguard (without plot cards) but if nobody else knows it I'm fine for standard with plot cards. And I'd prefer no mission targetting.

[WrathOfGlod]

In Plot Cards, no mission targeting

[Robz888]

IN

No idea how to play. Suppose I should learn.

[Galzria]

IN

Same boat as Robz. Read the BGG link, nothing really informational there. Still, looks good.

[Morgrim7]

In
No preference
Ditto, Robz

[eHalcyon]

I learned it recently and it's actually pretty easy to pick up.  If you have 10 minutes to spare, you can watch this video (I think it's from the actual game designer).  But this is how it goes, in short:

You are part of the Resistance, trying to overthrow the monarchy (or something).
Imperial spies have infiltrated your ranks.

A leader is randomly selected at the start and the position rotates after that.  The leader proposes a group of people to go on a mission.

Everyone votes whether or not to let the team go.  If the vote fails, the next leader steps up to propose a new team.

When a mission is approved, the people selected vote in secret as to whether the mission succeeds or fails.  Resistance Officers must vote yes (no sabotaging yourself just to troll people).  Spies may choose to fail the mission.

If three missions succeed, the Resistance wins.  If three missions fail, the Spies win.

Things I like about it over Mafia:

- There is concrete information.  If a mission fails, you know at least one person on that mission was a spy.
- People are not lynched.  Also, even if you are discovered as a spy, you can continue to influence events in many ways.

[Robz888]

Interesting! Okay, I get it. GREAT explanation.

[Morgrim7]

Just one question:
How many spies and how many officers are there?

[eHalcyon]

Just one question:
How many spies and how many officers are there?

It depends on how many players there are.  Tables linked it.

If you want to see the plot cards, they're here. 1 is drawn per round with 5-6 players, 2 with 7-8 and 3 with 9-10. The numbers of each card are: ... uh, I can check this on Saturday, could someone help by giving me the numbers now? Thanks.

Mission targetting is basically, the leader can choose which mission to go on. The numbers on each mission plus numbers of spies can be found here.

See the last link, table on the left.  In a 10 player game, there are 6 RO and 4 Spies.  The size of the mission team also changes each round (see the right table).  And with 7+ players, you need TWO spies to fail the fourth mission for it to actually count as a fail.

[Tables]

I don't know Commanders & Bodyguards... could you give me a link to the rules of that? But since everyone who I PMed has replied, I think we'll just get started with Plot cards, which have a unanimous yes vote (excluding neutrals)

"Tables, if we use plot cards, will you be shuffling an actual deck of some sort to determine which ones get played each round?  How many of each plot card is in the deck?"

Since we have 6 players confirmed...
5-6 player plot card numbers:
Strong Leader x2
Keeping a Close Eye on You x2
Opinion Maker
No Confidence
Take Responsibility

I'll be getting things started very shortly.

[WrathOfGlod]

Is playing with Opinion Maker worth it?

[Tables]

I considered removing it and then decided against it. I don't think it's that bad.

Also just spent about 45 minutes making the first post and then accidentally closed the tab. So I'm now raging a bit and will probably make a much shorter first post to start the game and update it when I'm not raging.

[bozzball]

I want in to the next resistance game if that there be one of. It's way more my bag than mafia.