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[WanderingWinder]

That you can see the set of 10 cards before you accept/reject. By far the worst quirk IMO.

[Davio]

That you can see the set of 10 cards before you accept/reject. By far the worst quirk IMO.

I disagree. There may be a lot of beginning players not wanting to play an attack-heavy board.
Veto-mode serves a good purpose here, I feel, although one could make an argument for a "pure random mode" checkbox.
But would you need to account for the Alchemy rule as well? (Play with up to X Alchemy card when playing with Alchemy).

[DStu]

(Play with up to X Alchemy card when playing with Alchemy).

That's not a rule, that's more actual a guideline...

[Eevee]

Is it just me or do we have an undo button?

Man isotropic is awesome.

[Geronimoo]

That's a bad sign for the official app if isotropic is still being modified.

[theory]

From the FAQ:

Why is there sometimes an undo button?

If the last thing you did was to play one or more simple Treasure cards (either individually, or with the auto-play button), you now have the option to undo that play. An undo button will appear when this is the case. This should help in cases where you played (especially with auto-play) more treasure than you meant to, eg. if you want to buy a Grand Market or remodel some treasure buying Farmland. Undo is not available in any other circumstances.

Note that as part of adding the undo feature, the cards Royal Seal and Diadem were changed so they are not played by the auto-play button; they are not considered "simple" and cannot be undone once played.

Thank you Doug!

[Brando Commando]

Since apparently this is the board where wishes are granted... DougZ, if you're listening, could you make isotropic do my taxes? And maybe find me a date?

[AJD]

From the FAQ:

Note that as part of adding the undo feature, the cards Royal Seal and Diadem were changed so they are not played by the auto-play button; they are not considered "simple" and cannot be undone once played.

Thank you Doug!

Indeed! I think I don't understand why Royal Seal and Diadem are excluded, though.

[WanderingWinder]

That you can see the set of 10 cards before you accept/reject. By far the worst quirk IMO.

I disagree. There may be a lot of beginning players not wanting to play an attack-heavy board.
Veto-mode serves a good purpose here, I feel, although one could make an argument for a "pure random mode" checkbox.
But would you need to account for the Alchemy rule as well? (Play with up to X Alchemy card when playing with Alchemy).

These players should play with the 0 to ... however many they're okay with attack cards in the set option.

[BaruMonkey]

That you can see the set of 10 cards before you accept/reject. By far the worst quirk IMO.

I disagree. There may be a lot of beginning players not wanting to play an attack-heavy board.
Veto-mode serves a good purpose here, I feel, although one could make an argument for a "pure random mode" checkbox.
But would you need to account for the Alchemy rule as well? (Play with up to X Alchemy card when playing with Alchemy).

These players should play with the 0 to ... however many they're okay with attack cards in the set option.

Whoa, I never saw that set of restriction abilities! Cool! *runs off to play*

EDIT: Gave up attempting to play with it due to lobby activity closing the dropdown list within a second of my opening it 50 times in a row

[blueblimp]

Notes on the undo feature:

• Quarry still autoplays and can't be undone. (This is okay! Just something to be aware of.) Once you've played the Quarry, you can only undo Coppers, not Silver/Gold (also Harem). If you click manually to play the Quarry before the basic treasures, you can still undo them.
• Once you buy something, you can't undo anymore (reasonably enough).
• Hoard still autoplays and can't be undone. Once you've played the Hoard, you can only undo Copper/Silver (also Harem), not Gold. If you click manually to play the Hoard before Gold, you can still undo the Gold.
• Coppers played with Coppersmith can be undone.

[olneyce]

Thanks Doug Z!  Isotropic only grows more amazing.

[Papa Luigi]

Notes on the undo feature:

• Quarry still autoplays and can't be undone. (This is okay! Just something to be aware of.) Once you've played the Quarry, you can only undo Coppers, not Silver/Gold (also Harem). If you click manually to play the Quarry before the basic treasures, you can still undo them.
• Once you buy something, you can't undo anymore (reasonably enough).
• Hoard still autoplays and can't be undone. Once you've played the Hoard, you can only undo Copper/Silver (also Harem), not Gold. If you click manually to play the Hoard before Gold, you can still undo the Gold.
• Coppers played with Coppersmith can be undone.

Just played a solo game to try out a few things. I noticed that you can play a basic treasure, then a special treasure, and then another basic treasure, but you can only undo basic treasures played since the last special treasure. So if, for instance, you play Copper-Fool's Gold-Copper-Copper, you can only undo those last two Coppers.

Quarry, Talisman, and Hoard all autoplay and can't be undone. I guess just be careful when you have special treasures.

Harem, Cache, and Stash all autoplay and CAN be undone, just like normal treasure.

If you click the button to play all your treasure, and you have special treasures that autoplay like Quarry or Talisman, they will sometimes be played near the beginning and sometimes not. I can't tell what order they're in. All I know is, sometimes there's an undo button and you can undo some of the autoplayed treasure, sometimes you can undo all of it (except the specials), and sometimes you can't undo any of it. For instance, I played a Silver, a Talisman, and a Stash, and I couldn't undo. But then I played a Silver, a Quarry, a Potion, and a Stash, and I was able to click undo exactly once to unplay the potion. Couldn't undo any further, meaning the Silver and the Stash were played before the Quarry.

[Kirian]

That's a bad sign for the official app if isotropic is still being modified.

Presumably Doug saw a very simple update to be made and went for it.  I suspect he has just as much knowledge of what's happening with the official app as the rest of us do, i.e., no clue.

[Axxle]

Is it just me or do we have an undo button?

Man isotropic is awesome.

Insane!  Thanks DougZ! 

[Captain_Frisk]

That's a bad sign for the official app if isotropic is still being modified.

Presumably Doug saw a very simple update to be made and went for it.  I suspect he has just as much knowledge of what's happening with the official app as the rest of us do, i.e., no clue.

From his AMA on reddit, I think he said he if friends with one of the developers, and had contact with them (probably on rules questions).  I think it's safe to say that his knowledge of what's going on is most likely better than those without such a personal connection.  Of course, he's probably not going to tell us anything. 

Commercial software is hard, and Mr. Zonker has set a high bar.  They probably don't want to alienate their future fanbase (us) by releasing something inferior.

[ftl]

Great update. As far as I can tell, it entirely solves the issue of accidentally playing coppers via the +$ button when you want to buy a GM; anytime where the software autoplay treasures has a possibility of screwing you over, it gives you an undo.

[dougz]

Quarry, Talisman, and Hoard all autoplay and can't be undone.

This is a bug; I thought I'd gone through and checked all the treasures but obviously I missed some.  The intent is that autoplay == undoable, so it's always "safe" to press the autoplay button.  I'll probably fix it tonight.

[Thisisnotasmile]

While you're at it, can you make Fools Gold autoplay?

[jonts26]

I just played a game where Royal seal did not autoplay. Which is especially funny when it was the only treasure in my hand. Though not really a huge deal. I like having the undo button more.

[blueblimp]

That's a bad sign for the official app if isotropic is still being modified.

Presumably Doug saw a very simple update to be made and went for it.  I suspect he has just as much knowledge of what's happening with the official app as the rest of us do, i.e., no clue.

Possibly he might have seen the post declaring undo to be difficult and taken it as a challenge. That'd be my reaction in his position, anyway. 

[Axxle]

From the FAQ:

Why is there sometimes an undo button?

If the last thing you did was to play one or more simple Treasure cards (either individually, or with the auto-play button), you now have the option to undo that play. An undo button will appear when this is the case. This should help in cases where you played (especially with auto-play) more treasure than you meant to, eg. if you want to buy a Grand Market or remodel some treasure buying Farmland. Undo is not available in any other circumstances.

Note that as part of adding the undo feature, the cards Royal Seal and Diadem were changed so they are not played by the auto-play button; they are not considered "simple" and cannot be undone once played.

Thank you Doug!

I just played a game where Royal seal did not autoplay. Which is especially funny when it was the only treasure in my hand. Though not really a huge deal. I like having the undo button more.

Apparently dougz intends this. Not sure why since it doesn't influence game state. Probably because it's much easier to code.

[DStu]

... and I thought on page 2 I should never look into this thread again ...

[rrenaud]

When I said everything barsooma said was reasonable, I was wrong.  I guess I skipped over what I thought was just bickering.

I didn't see the ad hominem stuff.  That's obviously stupid and trolling.

[barsooma]

When I said everything barsooma said was reasonable, I was wrong.  I guess I skipped over what I thought was just bickering.

I didn't see the ad hominem stuff.  That's obviously stupid and trolling.

Care to give an example?
Everything I said that was at all insulting was in direct response to someone saying something at least as rude to me first.
And to all those who said that this thread was a waste of time because nothing would change: how do those words taste now?