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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1000 on: October 21, 2024, 01:58:41 pm »

It is what it is gg folks
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1001 on: October 21, 2024, 02:14:25 pm »

Vote Count 3.2

jotheonah (2): WestCoastDidds, Robz888
WestCoastDidds (2): jotheonah, Awaclus

Not Voting (4): Cuzz, mcmcsalot, EFHW, shraeye

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until October 09, 2024, 02:10:00 pm. This is in about 29 hours and 20 minutes.
Honestly, one of these has got to be a scumwagon and the other a townwagon.

I'm feeling very confident that towncore Cuzz/EFHW/shraeye needs to figure this out. I think the right call is to vote: mcmc.  I think that whether its joth/Awaclus or Didds/Robz, mcmc is the third.

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or, joth/didds?

If that's a coordinated 1v1 to set up the winner as "town"...I'm probably picking Awaclus as the third if that's the case. so vote: mcmc is terrible.

Shraeye can you explain what this means?

Dude you had 3 days to let shraeye answer this and decide if you liked his answer.
For sure he was going to like my answer.  It also answers your question/accusation; what has shraeye ever done off the cuff.  Made a theory, moved on that theory; immediately questioned that theory, unmoved.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1002 on: October 21, 2024, 02:23:53 pm »

Shraeye on the other hand is almost always posting a string of posts on his own, addressed to himself or to no one in particular, usually at night (US time) when few others are around. This let him give his takes in a vacuum without having to directly have much real back and forth with anyone else in the game, and it allowed him to carefully consider the precise structure of his cases and arguments before posting. Go back and try to find any instance of shraeye saying anything seemingly off the cuff or remotely casual. Even all the way up to his vote on me, where after a reread and a handful of posts he’s apparently 100% certain I’m scum just based on voting behavior, certain enough to gamble the whole game on, and he doesn’t even wait for any reaction from either of us to make his move.
This is not a great case; it's just how I play.  I take pauses and reflect; come back and give my reactions on what's going on.  It's also easy to disprove that I'm only talking in a vaccuum; Swowl and I had a super casual conversation on some day,

Here's a list of specific questions:
(This question was asked to YOU!)



, but I'd prefer joth, WCD or Swowl any day
Why those 3?


Here's a list of specific answers:

What do you feel about robz shraeye? Specifically how he fit in to yesterdays wagons
Robz looked like he was avoiding a didds exile at all costs until the very very end.  Does not look good.

Why? This looks like buddying!
Didds pivot to mcmc, mcmcs instrumental position in Didds exile. But sure, it's buddying. Great analysis.

I'm saying I believe that cuzz would have voted Didds. As stated, I'm not giving either cuzz nor Robz a ton of credit for that exile.  I'm not backing down from my thoughts, it's my honest take whether you like it or not.



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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1003 on: October 21, 2024, 02:59:44 pm »

You won why are you still doing this?
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1004 on: October 21, 2024, 03:05:30 pm »

You don’t get to continue to argue that my case is flawed when we know it was at least directionally correct and you no longer have incentive to pretend otherwise.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1005 on: October 21, 2024, 03:22:24 pm »

You don’t get to continue to argue that my case is flawed when we know it was at least directionally correct and you no longer have incentive to pretend otherwise.
Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but you've made a case that I'm not town based on when I'm available to play. That's bound to raise hackles, and it did.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1006 on: October 21, 2024, 04:09:33 pm »

You don’t get to continue to argue that my case is flawed when we know it was at least directionally correct and you no longer have incentive to pretend otherwise.
Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but you've made a case that I'm not town based on when I'm available to play. That's bound to raise hackles, and it did.

You’re not town and you know for a fact that I know for a fact that you’re not town. I don’t think you can objectively assess which aspects of your play others are or are not allowed to read into.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1007 on: October 21, 2024, 04:31:37 pm »

Clearly I’m just very irritated with how that went. No idea what I should have done differently at the end there.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1008 on: October 21, 2024, 04:35:12 pm »

Nothing personal on either of you.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1009 on: October 21, 2024, 06:01:42 pm »

Oh I don’t think there was anything you should have done differently I genuinely think that might only be my like second endgame ever as town. I do not generally make it there as I think I am typically pushy enough with my reads I’m either miss exhiled or nk’d early.

Honestly the joth sub out was rough because I was really hoping to bounce idea of him as a player I was certain couldn’t be didds parter.

Shraeye just happened to buss didds at the right moment. Obviously in retrospect I feel like duh you were the much townier player I just didn’t give myself the time to come around. Didds also really tried to push a joth exhile and tried to get us to consolidate on day 2 when the possible wagons were you and joth. So it felt to me like why would didds stick their neck out to get an exhile through when none of her, robz, or shraeye were in any danger
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1010 on: October 21, 2024, 06:03:21 pm »

I definitely based too much of my decision off how didds played rather than how you and shraeye played but I just hadn’t had a great read on either of you and felt like I sorta unlocked things once I picked up on didds being scum so that was where I put all my research
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 6)
« Reply #1011 on: October 22, 2024, 02:55:23 am »

Day 6 Final Vote Count

Cuzz (2): shraeye, mcmcsalot
shraeye (1): Cuzz

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With 3 alive, it took 2 to exile.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over)
« Reply #1012 on: October 22, 2024, 02:58:25 am »

Everyone who plays the base game gets somewhat disappointed when they draw a dumb 'ol road tile. This is because roads are worth the least out of all four ways to score, and always feel like a lame excuse for a tile. The Inns and Cathedrals expansion helps this a lot by adding inns, which can double the value of roads.
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Cuzz has been removed from the shelf! They were Carcassonne, Spiel des Jahres 2001, a Town Restless Spirit!

mcmcsalot has been endgamed!

The scum team of WestCoastDidds, shraeye and Robz888 wins!
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1013 on: October 22, 2024, 03:04:29 am »

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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1014 on: October 22, 2024, 03:16:36 am »

😢

I wish Mafia hadn’t killed me N1. My best ever spectator game! 😅 At a minimum, I could’ve called out Robz’ scum slip!
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1015 on: October 22, 2024, 07:32:01 am »

what games were mcmc and shraeye?

Also, still no baby so I could have absolutely stayed in :(
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1016 on: October 22, 2024, 07:36:08 am »

what games were mcmc and shraeye?

Also, still no baby so I could have absolutely stayed in :(

Do you think you would have picked shraeye? You seemed to nail it with Didds and Robz.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1017 on: October 22, 2024, 07:36:19 am »

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Your Traitor partner is Robz888.
westcoastdidds — 09/19/2024 1:52 PM
Oh, good to know. I’d have exiled fo sho

this is objectively hilarious
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1018 on: October 22, 2024, 07:37:33 am »

what games were mcmc and shraeye?

Also, still no baby so I could have absolutely stayed in :(

Do you think you would have picked shraeye? You seemed to nail it with Didds and Robz.

I did have it pegged as shraeye in the end, yeah. Though it's always easier from the speccy, and I was suspecting Cuzz on and off throughout the game. So I can't promise I would have been any better than mcmc in the endgame. I might have convinced myself that claiming restless spirit after not playing to get exiled was scummy.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1019 on: October 22, 2024, 07:43:05 am »

😢

I wish Mafia hadn’t killed me N1. My best ever spectator game! 😅 At a minimum, I could’ve called out Robz’ scum slip!

I wish they had killed me…I take back everything I said about wanting to live, I am not cut out for endgames, sorry for letting y’all down.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1020 on: October 22, 2024, 07:45:29 am »

😢

I wish Mafia hadn’t killed me N1. My best ever spectator game! 😅 At a minimum, I could’ve called out Robz’ scum slip!

I wish they had killed me…I take back everything I said about wanting to live, I am not cut out for endgames, sorry for letting y’all down.

Hey man, don't feel bad. I have been exactly where you are a lot of times and I know just how you feel, but it's not your fault! You did great to get as far as you did. scum played a heck of a game, especially shraeye (read the scum QT and you'll see he pegged Galz as a PR from virtually nothing). That endgame thing though, it is so much pressure.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1021 on: October 22, 2024, 07:46:02 am »

😢

I wish Mafia hadn’t killed me N1. My best ever spectator game! 😅 At a minimum, I could’ve called out Robz’ scum slip!

I wish they had killed me…I take back everything I said about wanting to live, I am not cut out for endgames, sorry for letting y’all down.

I sympathise with Cuzz wanting more time, but it's not letting anybody down to be obvTown in the final 3 and take your best shot.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1022 on: October 22, 2024, 07:47:43 am »

what games were mcmc and shraeye?

Also, still no baby so I could have absolutely stayed in :(

Do you think you would have picked shraeye? You seemed to nail it with Didds and Robz.

I did have it pegged as shraeye in the end, yeah. Though it's always easier from the speccy, and I was suspecting Cuzz on and off throughout the game. So I can't promise I would have been any better than mcmc in the endgame. I might have convinced myself that claiming restless spirit after not playing to get exiled was scummy.

That was definitely a factor. I despise breadcrumbing, I’ve never been a part of a scum team that didn’t discuss fake claims immediately and crumbs are the easiest thing to take in the world.

It’s another of those things that just because scum can do it doesn’t mean it is scummy to do it but I definitely thought “oh of course you breadcrumbed”.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1023 on: October 22, 2024, 07:49:17 am »

😢

I wish Mafia hadn’t killed me N1. My best ever spectator game! 😅 At a minimum, I could’ve called out Robz’ scum slip!

I wish they had killed me…I take back everything I said about wanting to live, I am not cut out for endgames, sorry for letting y’all down.

I sympathise with Cuzz wanting more time, but it's not letting anybody down to be obvTown in the final 3 and take your best shot.

Yea shraeye was really really smart to just drive by his vote and leave. In retrospect I needed more active back and forth, my isolated rereading just had me running in circles.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Game over - Mafia wins!)
« Reply #1024 on: October 22, 2024, 08:17:25 am »

Honestly, very well played by scum all around. But I think I have to nominate shraeye for MVP. (are we still doing that?)
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