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[Cuzz]

Not that those are worth a ton.

[Robz888]

Vote: Robz

See you on the other side!

[mcmcsalot]

Interesting to note that robz was the traitor and did take exhile proof. His defense of didds was so hard it does feel like he took know who mafia is but I feel like robz is not the player to take two modifications for himself as traitor. I dunno, figuring out if mafia knew robz and robz knew mafia will be important to parsing which players can and cannot be the remaining scum. At least we know we are looking for a player who at minimum knew didds was scum.

[faust]

Day 5 Final Vote Count

Robz888 (3): Jimmmmm, Cuzz, Robz888

Not Voting (2): mcmcsalot, shraeye

With 5 alive, it took 3 to exile.

[faust]

This game is 30-40 minutes of inoffensive un-intrusive theme less card collecting for an opaque victory condition *. And whether you play with 3 players, or 7 it always 30-40 minutes. In some games there is competition, you struggle to out manoeuvre out race and out think your opponents, you block them, take the resources they wanted and graft for victory points harder than your rivals. In some games there is narrative, you swing between being in dire peril as your foes minions march forth laying waste to your lands, and hope as you land the great counter offensive or escape the onslaught.

[...]

7 wonders, barely qualifies for the title ‘game’. It is simply a well packaged process with a victory point system and some art tacked on. Or more bluntly a banal pile of crap.
- Simon DeS***

Robz888 has been removed from the shelf! They were 7 Wonders, Kennerspiel des Jahres 2011, a 1-shot Bulletproof 1-shot Exile-proof Mafia Traitor!

Night 5 begins now and lasts 24 hours. Night actions are due by October 19, 2024, 01:45:00 pm.

Thread locked!

[faust]

Without the 1910 Expansion, Ticket to Ride is a broken game that has very little to offer experienced gamers.

[...]

The 1910 expansion makes the game palatable by including more valuable competing routes and a bonus for completing the most tickets. I would even contend that Ticket to Ride should not even be sold without the expansion. After experiencing the "orignal" version, however, I am totally turned off by the game. Let me be clear: Ticket to Ride is a fine game for families, grandparents, and children who might not care to discover the hoarding strategy, but without the 1910 Expansion, Ticket to Ride is a has nothing to offer experienced gamers.
- Christopher

Jimmmmm has received a negative review! They were Ticket to Ride, Spiel des Jahres 2004, a Vanilla Townie!

Day 6 begins! Thread unlocked!

Vote Count 6.0

Not Voting (3): mcmcsalot, shraeye, Cuzz

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to exile. Day 2 lasts until October 24, 2024, 03:00:00 pm.

[Cuzz]

This is it friends.

[Cuzz]

Literally no way this goes beyond today at this point right?

[mcmcsalot]

Yep we are at the endgame and I have to decide if shraeye left me alive so that I would exhile cuzz or you did that knowing I would second guess myself.

Honestly lots to reread now that robz flipped traitor and not didds partner.

We should probably full claim though I’m not sure uet

[Cuzz]

I see no reason not to claim now, since I can’t directly get any use out of my role as such. I am a Restless Spirit. I breadcrumbed as much in the post below (emphasis added), and also made a much more vague PR softclaim in the post below that when a wagon started to build on me.

I was planning on voting efhw before seeing joth’s post so I’d vote both of them if I could. You can consider my vote on efhw in spirit also for now.

Let’s try elsewhere folks

I realized a little too late that the correct way to play the role would probably have been to try to draw the NK as soon as possible but that was not to be for various reasons.

[Cuzz]

I have a pretty strong leaning about where to go from here but I think everyone should claim and I’ll also do some due diligence and rereading and such.

[mcmcsalot]

Darn it’s much more informative if we had no restless spirit claim.

I am a vt

[Cuzz]

Darn it’s much more informative if we had no restless spirit claim.

I am a vt

What’s more informative?

[mcmcsalot]

faust am I correct in assuming the modification “learn the identity of mafia” and “learn the identity of traitor” do not have any indicators upon flipping?

[mcmcsalot]

Darn it’s much more informative if we had no restless spirit claim.

I am a vt

What’s more informative?

Yea I guess it really doesn’t tell us anything either way. All of us claiming Vt would have told us we know for certain that scum only took two modifications and that robz took exhile proof which leaves us with only one unknown modification.

You claiming restless spirit means A) you could be scum and lying because y’all only took two modifications or B) you could be town and then we have two unknown modifications.

[Cuzz]

Darn it’s much more informative if we had no restless spirit claim.

I am a vt

What’s more informative?

Yea I guess it really doesn’t tell us anything either way. All of us claiming Vt would have told us we know for certain that scum only took two modifications and that robz took exhile proof which leaves us with only one unknown modification.

You claiming restless spirit means A) you could be scum and lying because y’all only took two modifications or B) you could be town and then we have two unknown modifications.

Yeah I just assume both mafia and traitor took the “know each other” mods

[Cuzz]

By the way the guy who had a massive problem with me speculating about this very topic on D1 because it could have constituted some kind of signal from mafia to traitor or vice versa and was therefore unacceptably anti-town turned out to be the traitor himself.

[Cuzz]

In any case I can’t really comment on or get my head around the counterfactual of what if we all claimed vt because I know that never could have been the case.

[faust]

faust am I correct in assuming the modification “learn the identity of mafia” and “learn the identity of traitor” do not have any indicators upon flipping?

Yes, this is correct.

[shraeye]

Nothing special here, just a VT

[shraeye]

I'm going to recheck stuff while at work tomorrow (work, where mafia rereads happen...?), but all signs point to Cuzz.  mcmc was absolutely necessary in getting Didds exiled, which is what swung everything back in our favor.  Cuzz did say at the end he would have hammered; I certainly believed it at the time, but he was off Didds, off Robz, AND gave an early 2nd vote yesterday to let Robz quick-hammer himself and cut off any potential conversation.

[shraeye]

Vote Count 1.1

jotheonah (1): Robz888
Awaclus (2): LaLight, EFHW
LaLight (1): mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (1): Galzria
Galzria (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (6): Cuzz, scolapasta, WestCoastDidds, jotheonah, Swowl, shraeye

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends on September 25, 2024, 10:45:00 am.

Vote Count 1.2

LaLight (1): mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (1): Galzria
Cuzz (3): Robz888, Awaclus, EFHW
EFHW (2): LaLight, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (5): Cuzz, scolapasta, jotheonah, Swowl, shraeye

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends on September 25, 2024, 10:45:00 am.

Vote Count 1.3

LaLight (1): shraeye
Cuzz (3): Robz888, Awaclus, jotheonah
EFHW (5): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, mcmcsalot, Galzria, Cuzz
jotheonah (1): Swowl
Galzria (1): EFHW

Not Voting (1): scolapasta

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends on September 25, 2024, 10:45:00 am. That is in 31 hours and 20 minutes.

scolapasta has been prodded.

Vote Count 1.4

Cuzz (2): Awaclus, jotheonah
EFHW (5): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, mcmcsalot, Galzria, Cuzz
jotheonah (1): Swowl
Galzria (3): EFHW, shraeye, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): Robz888

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends on September 25, 2024, 10:45:00 am. That is in less than 7 hours.

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Cuzz (1): Awaclus
EFHW (1): Galzria
jotheonah (1): Swowl
Galzria (2): shraeye, scolapasta
scolapasta (7): Robz888, Cuzz, LaLight, EFHW, WestCoastDidds, jotheonah, mcmcsalot

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it took 7 to exile.

Vote Count 2.1

jotheonah (1): LaLight
Swowl (1): Awaclus
LaLight (2): Swowl, shraeye
EFHW (1): jotheonah

Not Voting (5): Cuzz, mcmcsalot, EFHW, Robz888, WestCoastDidds

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 lasts until October 02, 2024, 11:30:00 am.

Vote Count 2.2

LaLight (3): Swowl, shraeye, Awaclus
Swowl (1): LaLight
mcmcsalot (1): EFHW
Cuzz (2): jotheonah, Robz888
Robz888 (1): Cuzz
jotheonah (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (1): mcmcsalot

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 lasts until October 02, 2024, 11:30:00 am. This is in 33 hours and 20 minutes.

Vote Count 2.3

LaLight (4): Swowl, shraeye, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Swowl (3): LaLight, Awaclus, mcmcsalot
Cuzz (2): jotheonah, Robz888
Awaclus (1): Cuzz

Not Voting (0)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 lasts until October 02, 2024, 11:30:00 am. This is in under 6 hours.

Vote Count 2.4

LaLight (4): Swowl, shraeye, WestCoastDidds, EFHW
Swowl (5): LaLight, Awaclus, mcmcsalot, Cuzz, jotheonah
Cuzz (1): Robz888

Not Voting (0)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 2 lasts until October 02, 2024, 11:30:00 am. This is in under 2 hours.

Day 2 Final Vote Count

LaLight (3): Swowl, shraeye, WestCoastDidds
Swowl (6): LaLight, Awaclus, mcmcsalot, Cuzz, jotheonah, EFHW
Cuzz (1): Robz888

Not Voting (0)

With 10 alive, it took 6 to exile.

Assuming EFHW is a tracker, would EFHW have gotten a different result if her target had no targets vs if she got rolestopped?

No.

Mod: Would I have been told if I had been rolestopped?

No.

Vote Count 3.1

shraeye (1): Robz888
jotheonah (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (6): Cuzz, mcmcsalot, EFHW, jotheonah, shraeye, Awaclus

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until October 09, 2024, 02:10:00 pm.

Vote Count 3.2

jotheonah (2): WestCoastDidds, Robz888
WestCoastDidds (2): jotheonah, Awaclus

Not Voting (4): Cuzz, mcmcsalot, EFHW, shraeye

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until October 09, 2024, 02:10:00 pm. This is in about 29 hours and 20 minutes.

Vote Count 3.3

jotheonah (1): Robz888
WestCoastDidds (3): jotheonah, Awaclus, mcmcsalot
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
mcmcsalot (2): EFHW, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (1): shraeye

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until October 09, 2024, 02:10:00 pm. This is in about 7 hours and 30 minutes.

Vote Count 3.4

WestCoastDidds (3): jotheonah, Awaclus, mcmcsalot
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
mcmcsalot (3): EFHW, WestCoastDidds, Robz888

Not Voting (1): shraeye

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until October 09, 2024, 02:10:00 pm. This is in about 1 hour and 25 minutes.

Day 3 Final Vote Count

WestCoastDidds (5): jotheonah, Awaclus, mcmcsalot, shraeye, Robz888
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
mcmcsalot (2): EFHW, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (0)

With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.

Jimmmmm replaces jotheonah!

Deadline is extended by 24 hours.

Vote Count 4.1

Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): Cuzz, mcmcsalot, Awaclus, Robz888, shraeye

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 lasts until October 18, 2024, 02:00:00 am.

Vote Count 4.2

Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
shraeye (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (4): Cuzz, mcmcsalot, Robz888, shraeye

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 lasts until October 18, 2024, 02:00:00 am.

Vote Count 4.3

Robz888 (1): Jimmmmm
shraeye (2): Awaclus, Robz888

Not Voting (3): Cuzz, mcmcsalot, shraeye

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 lasts until October 18, 2024, 02:00:00 am. This is in less than 44 hours.

Vote Count 4.4

Robz888 (3): Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot, Awaclus
shraeye (1): Robz888

Not Voting (2): Cuzz, shraeye

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 lasts until October 18, 2024, 02:00:00 am. This is in about 34 hours.

Day 4 Final Vote Count

Robz888 (4): Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot, Awaclus, shraeye
shraeye (1): Robz888

Not Voting (1): Cuzz

With 6 alive, it took 4 to exile.

Day 5 Final Vote Count

Robz888 (3): Jimmmmm, Cuzz, Robz888

Not Voting (2): mcmcsalot, shraeye

With 5 alive, it took 3 to exile.

[shraeye]

Well, the rest of the family is sleeping in, I can't stop thinking things through, so I guess I'm mass posting votecounts instead of grading anything

[shraeye]

A closer read of Day3:

mcmc really started the suspicion on Didds first, joth votes there first, but mcmc brings it up.

I also think dids is scum. Was waiting to vote till I could go back and do a re-read but the outrage for the swowl exhile feels really fake scummy

Didds' response does not look like partner responding to fake heat from their buddy.


Interestingly,  Cuzz throws shade on both Robz and Didds in his next few posts:

Robz doesn’t strike me as scummy, he feels more genuinely concerned for the game than he did in the last game where he was scum.

In general with both Rob and didds I tend to read concern as town and outrage as scum

I think this is sort of fair but he’s not actually doing anything consequential in this game when it matters. On the list of “who seems to genuinely care how town is doing and is trying to help us win”  he’s not particularly high up there.

Robz doesn’t strike me as scummy, he feels more genuinely concerned for the game than he did in the last game where he was scum.

In general with both Rob and didds I tend to read concern as town and outrage as scum

I think this is sort of fair but he’s not actually doing anything consequential in this game when it matters. On the list of “who seems to genuinely care how town is doing and is trying to help us win”  he’s not particularly high up there.

This goes for Didds too, which does seem like a contrast to two games ago when she was town.

And although Didds mentions Cuzz in the rebuttal, she really only cared to defend mcmc's argument

[shraeye]

didds then takes shots at mcmc, calling him instrumental in the first two exiles.  I don't think that Didds is bussing partners this close to a mafia win.  I would expect something more like...

well, this:

I have no solid townreads this game and it’s driving me nuts.

I think I’d go Didds over joth. Joth seemed kinda townish in the way he was around trying to do the right thing at deadline yesterday. Not sure what to think of his claim though. And his apology about his play seemed unnecessary to me (he’s at basically the same activity level as everyone else in this game) so I feel like it could be fake but I dunno.

But my gut is really telling me to vote: Awaclus. Anyone down?

Says he prefers Didds, but his words are targeting joth.  And his vote tries to drum support for Awaclus.