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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #725 on: October 08, 2024, 10:09:33 pm »

If that's a coordinated 1v1 to set up the winner as "town"...I'm probably picking Awaclus as the third if that's the case. so vote: mcmc is terrible.

Can you spell this out? I'm not seeing how voting mcmc is terrible. What do you think now that Awaclus has claimed?
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #726 on: October 08, 2024, 10:13:49 pm »

sweet I absolutely believe awaclus is glaz's town neighbor as said I think it makes zero sense for scum to grab neighbor stuff and then kill galz. I also super doubt scum!awaclus scum slipped in the neighborhood and had to nk galz for it.

Why are you debunking the scumslip idea? I'm not saying it's a good one (I was half joking), but does it need debunking here? Awaclus already handled that pretty thoroughly and the idea doesn't bear on believing his claim or not because it was pure speculation.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #727 on: October 08, 2024, 10:17:21 pm »

I might be on for a few minutes around 2. I'll put a vote down now to be safe, though I will have time to check in in the morning. vote: mcmc.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #728 on: October 08, 2024, 10:34:48 pm »

I have thoughts but sharing them now isn't pro-town. I don't want to help scum write their playbook. Someone remind me tomorrow and I'll share.

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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #729 on: October 08, 2024, 10:38:19 pm »

sweet I absolutely believe awaclus is glaz's town neighbor as said I think it makes zero sense for scum to grab neighbor stuff and then kill galz. I also super doubt scum!awaclus scum slipped in the neighborhood and had to nk galz for it.

Why are you debunking the scumslip idea? I'm not saying it's a good one (I was half joking), but does it need debunking here? Awaclus already handled that pretty thoroughly and the idea doesn't bear on believing his claim or not because it was pure speculation.

I dunno I guess I am overly fixated on countering the idea that scum had anything to do with the neighborhood. Like reread me and waaay too many of my posts are about that but at least its consistent?
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #730 on: October 08, 2024, 10:39:02 pm »

I might be on for a few minutes around 2. I'll put a vote down now to be safe, though I will have time to check in in the morning. vote: mcmc.

You have scum read me pretty consistently so far. Could you make a case for me, apologies if you have likely made it through various posts
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #731 on: October 08, 2024, 10:41:30 pm »

Re-read joth honestly a whoooooole lot of nothin(probably true for lots of people) re robz's cuzz read case from rereading the move from joth feeling townie on cuzz to scummy on cuzz feels pretty natural and reasonable. Honestly pretty null here other than the fact that what joth has said I agree with
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #732 on: October 08, 2024, 10:50:16 pm »

finishes a shraeye reread and its a vibe bby, pretty consistent reads throughout though my re-reads are getting less analytical as i go, maybe time to call it for the night
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #733 on: October 08, 2024, 10:56:44 pm »

I might be on for a few minutes around 2. I'll put a vote down now to be safe, though I will have time to check in in the morning. vote: mcmc.

You have scum read me pretty consistently so far. Could you make a case for me, apologies if you have likely made it through various posts

Saying Cuzz's question was towny; persisting in saying I could be scum, could be trying to prevent an IC; belaboring a point unnecessarily  - it's hard to come up with things to say as scum, and it unfocuses the conversation.  Am I sure? No. Best guess I have right now.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #734 on: October 08, 2024, 11:07:31 pm »

I might be on for a few minutes around 2. I'll put a vote down now to be safe, though I will have time to check in in the morning. vote: mcmc.

You have scum read me pretty consistently so far. Could you make a case for me, apologies if you have likely made it through various posts

Saying Cuzz's question was towny; persisting in saying I could be scum, could be trying to prevent an IC; belaboring a point unnecessarily  - it's hard to come up with things to say as scum, and it unfocuses the conversation.  Am I sure? No. Best guess I have right now.

Man that post about fuzz’s question really set off the scumdar, interesting. Also if you are town, you being presumed ic is actually bad for you and scum not being sure if town(me) is going to try to misexile you actually helps to keep you alive. My lower content level is definitely reasonable. So not a scummy case by any means but not a strong one in my opinion.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #735 on: October 08, 2024, 11:29:59 pm »

I have thoughts but sharing them now isn't pro-town. I don't want to help scum write their playbook. Someone remind me tomorrow and I'll share.

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I can’t remember but they’re probably moot by now with everything else that’s happened.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #736 on: October 09, 2024, 03:53:18 am »

Good morning!

Today is my conference presentation, so I’ll be more not-around than around.

I don’t have enough time before I leave to respond to mcmc’s case line by line, but my basic response was “oh, come on”. My reads have changed over the course of the game because I’m trying to pay attention and updating my sense of things over the course of the game. So, I couldn’t get a read on Swowl, which made me think he was off, so I had him on my list, but then he showed up in the way that was familiar and I revised. Sometimes I am following people, which again I think is not unique and common for most players, but I’m following my town core. It just anyone. And importantly, I’m not trying to push the exile of people I don’t think are scum.

You have been instrumental in both of the misexiles because you voted at times that made the move away from them to anyone else impossible. As far as feeling kinship with the coalition folks, I wonder if that is coloring how you are seeing this game.

I continue to be mystified that it is impossible to get traction on any sort of a Joth wagon. For me, that might be the scummiest thing about him.

I’m going to follow EFHW because she is the one person I feel confident is town, plus some omgus for the flip-flopping accusations from mcmc

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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #737 on: October 09, 2024, 06:35:59 am »

Vote Count 3.3

jotheonah (1): Robz888
WestCoastDidds (3): jotheonah, Awaclus, mcmcsalot
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
mcmcsalot (2): EFHW, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (1): shraeye

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 lasts until October 09, 2024, 02:10:00 pm. This is in about 7 hours and 30 minutes.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #738 on: October 09, 2024, 07:15:50 am »

The fact that Didds isn't hammered yet is a good sign.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #739 on: October 09, 2024, 07:53:21 am »

Except that wagon has a heap ‘o scum on board
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #740 on: October 09, 2024, 08:08:23 am »

I might be on for a few minutes around 2. I'll put a vote down now to be safe, though I will have time to check in in the morning. vote: mcmc.

You have scum read me pretty consistently so far. Could you make a case for me, apologies if you have likely made it through various posts

Saying Cuzz's question was towny; persisting in saying I could be scum, could be trying to prevent an IC; belaboring a point unnecessarily  - it's hard to come up with things to say as scum, and it unfocuses the conversation.  Am I sure? No. Best guess I have right now.

Man that post about fuzz’s question really set off the scumdar, interesting. Also if you are town, you being presumed ic is actually bad for you and scum not being sure if town(me) is going to try to misexile you actually helps to keep you alive. My lower content level is definitely reasonable. So not a scummy case by any means but not a strong one in my opinion.
I didn't mean you have low content, I meant that post in particular strikes me as scummy.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #741 on: October 09, 2024, 11:06:15 am »

There hasn’t been enough discussion about the fact that scum and traitor may not know each other, although given the number of PRs we have they clearly took some upgrades and knowing the full team I think is one of the more likely ones. But this has a potential big effect on quickhammer potential.

Let’s also keep in mind that the argument that awaclus was galz’a neighbor and would probably not have nk’d him doesn’t work if he’s the traitor and has no control over the nk.

I don’t think this has much impact on my choice for the day here since awaclus is probably not happening at this juncture but it’s worth keeping in mind.

In particular the fact that mcmc took Awaclus’s claim as if it totally cleared him is a bit suspicious.

Anyway, I wish I had better reads this game but we gotta do our best here and hope we hit. I think there’s a decent enough option which I’ll help out with once I’ve mulled it over a bit more.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #742 on: October 09, 2024, 11:20:59 am »

There hasn’t been enough discussion about the fact that scum and traitor may not know each other, although given the number of PRs we have they clearly took some upgrades and knowing the full team I think is one of the more likely ones. But this has a potential big effect on quickhammer potential.

Let’s also keep in mind that the argument that awaclus was galz’a neighbor and would probably not have nk’d him doesn’t work if he’s the traitor and has no control over the nk.

I don’t think this has much impact on my choice for the day here since awaclus is probably not happening at this juncture but it’s worth keeping in mind.

In particular the fact that mcmc took Awaclus’s claim as if it totally cleared him is a bit suspicious.

Anyway, I wish I had better reads this game but we gotta do our best here and hope we hit. I think there’s a decent enough option which I’ll help out with once I’ve mulled it over a bit more.

Do you think there is a world where being given an option to take exhile-proof or learn the names of the mafia a traitor decides to pick...become a neighbor...
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #743 on: October 09, 2024, 11:30:49 am »

There hasn’t been enough discussion about the fact that scum and traitor may not know each other, although given the number of PRs we have they clearly took some upgrades and knowing the full team I think is one of the more likely ones. But this has a potential big effect on quickhammer potential.

Let’s also keep in mind that the argument that awaclus was galz’a neighbor and would probably not have nk’d him doesn’t work if he’s the traitor and has no control over the nk.

I don’t think this has much impact on my choice for the day here since awaclus is probably not happening at this juncture but it’s worth keeping in mind.

In particular the fact that mcmc took Awaclus’s claim as if it totally cleared him is a bit suspicious.

Anyway, I wish I had better reads this game but we gotta do our best here and hope we hit. I think there’s a decent enough option which I’ll help out with once I’ve mulled it over a bit more.

Do you think there is a world where being given an option to take exhile-proof or learn the names of the mafia a traitor decides to pick...become a neighbor...

Especially if that traitor is Awaclus. He's not a "play suboptimally for shits and giggles" kind of player.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #744 on: October 09, 2024, 11:45:29 am »

Vote: mcmcsalot

I'm shocked he doesn't find my joth case more compelling, and I think that's probably because they are both scum. Joth and mcmc are playing VERY differently from their established town metas. They're saying that's because they're busy or lazy or over committed. I don't believe.

I'll move to mcmc since the votes are there.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #745 on: October 09, 2024, 11:48:25 am »

Actually, I'm gonna call the whole team: mcmc, joth, shraeye

I came to play this game!
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #746 on: October 09, 2024, 11:50:29 am »

I am increasingly convinced the team is Robz, WCD, ?
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #747 on: October 09, 2024, 11:58:03 am »

I'm tempted to say I'll move to mcmc to get an exile, but I'm not sure I will. I've been that guy twice now and all it's gotten me is suspicion and misexiles. Someone else can move to Didds to get an exile.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #748 on: October 09, 2024, 12:01:21 pm »

Let’s also keep in mind that the argument that awaclus was galz’a neighbor and would probably not have nk’d him doesn’t work if he’s the traitor and has no control over the nk.

Sure, but then the argument that I would have NK'd my neighbor because I scumslipped or because Galzria PRslipped also doesn't work.
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Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #749 on: October 09, 2024, 12:02:41 pm »

I'm tempted to say I'll move to mcmc to get an exile, but I'm not sure I will. I've been that guy twice now and all it's gotten me is suspicion and misexiles. Someone else can move to Didds to get an exile.

Didds and mcmc are at L-2 so we won't get an exile just from one person moving.
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