I also think dids is scum. Was waiting to vote till I could go back and do a re-read but the outrage for the swowl exhile feels really fake scummy
I have a minute before is pass out from tired.
No fake outrage. I think Swowl is super helpful when he’s town and he’s one of the people I understand best. I’m frustrated that the LL claim happened so late that there was no other option. Honestly moving to me or anyone else who wasn’t obvtown would have been better for us as a whole. I don’t think that the last few people voting for him even thought he was a baddie. This is just on reread but EFHW summed it up “to get an exile” when she voted. So I’m frustrated, and think everyone should be, that we can’t seem to figure something out earlier when more people are actually around. Especially when I and gave others have said we are specifically busy at the deadline. So, it’s not outrage. It’s frustration. We’ve done this two days in a row…waited until the last minute and that left it up to a small number of people. I think scum has to be among them, and why cede them that power just because they can be there. I don’t have any solutions for it. Life is gonna life for all of us, but gah.
I apologize if you thought I was pressuring you to vote. I was hoping that we could get some consolidation before I had to go to class. But I don’t like it when people do that to me. I apologize.
In my return to playing after our long hiatus the agreement I made with myself was to try to take things less personally. So I can’t convince you or Cuzz that I’m town, it’s all feels and senses anyway. But if there is an argument there, it shouldn’t be fake outrage. It’s actual frustration.
Cuzz, why isn’t Joth on your list of potential baddies? What has he done that was “consequential”? Or Mcmc? Who meets your standard?
Sleep now. More later.
What I find frustrating is all the handwringing about last-minute panic exiles (not just from you) that doesn't mention the obvious problem: our culture of forcing last-minute claims and always believing them. I think it's objectively anti-town at this point.
So there's actually four pieces that lead to these negative outcomes.
1) We don't consolidate until the last minute.
2) We almost always believe claims, leading the correct scum play to be fakeclaiming 100% of the time.
3) Both town and scum seem to think it's beneficial to claim as late as possible.
4) We don't have a sufficient number of townies available at deadline to make high-quality alternate wagons.
Fixing #1 would be the best fix and the most feasible, but we seem allergic to it. #4 will always be an issue because we have lives and timezones exist. But I really think people should be giving more thought to #2 and #3 and their affect together.
We could, as a community, be more skeptical of claims, especially claims of roles that can't easily be confirmed like Tracker. Or, we could set an expectation that town PRs claim 24 hours before deadline or not at all (this would be helped by the rest of the town trying to run up our wagons more than 24 hours before deadline).
We currently have about two days before deadline and nothing to work with except a fairly silly case on Shraeye from Robz, a misguided case on me from Didds, and some FoSes on Didds that aren't backed up by votes.
Am I the only one who still doesn't believe EFHW's claim? We have gotten no useful information from her role, and nothing about the suspiciousness of her claim has changed. Her continued survival is still scummy, although I suppose it's no more scummy today given that we gave scum a more useful PR to get rid of.
I agree with mcmc that we should put our cards on the table at this point. Here's my broad buckets:
town: mcmc, Cuzz
: shraeye, Awaclus
scummy: EFHW, Robz, Didds
I am ready to
vote: WestCoastDidds at the risk of seeming to OMGUS. I actually think her vote on me isn't completely terrible -- scum are sometimes inexplicably hard to exile and I'm sure I've made cases like that before. I can't fault it.
But something is definitely off about her play. I kind of agree that the frustration feels hollow and performative. And her scumhunting, such as it is, also feels hollow and performative. She's posted just enough to look like she's participating but hasn't actually driven forward much of anything.
Like, do an iso on her posts. There's a lot of setup talk and a lot of socialising. And then there's a lot of tactical posting to get us an exile -- deadline is this soon, how many people are on this wagon, etc. But what there isn't a lot of is actual case-building that seems legitimately concerned with finding scum. Even when she votes it's in a sort of noncommital "I could see X being scum" kind of way.
Which, like, I get, could probably apply to a lot of us. No one has had a ton of conviction this game. But all these things together... idk. Town Didds is buckling down and being helpful and pro-town at this point in the game. Scum Didds is just trying to look helpful.
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