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[Cuzz]

Something I just noticed about the setup: Mafia has day talk!

Add: Eevee

lol

[Cuzz]

Add: joth

[Cuzz]

vote counts in this phase are going to be a nightmare to keep track of

[Eevee]

They are probably pushing each other to be added to the coalition, aren't they?

We need to have town steer the ship so everyone (just town!) be extra stubborn and suspicious of mafia trying to manipulate you. They can cook up all sort of schemes in the day chat.

[Eevee]

vote counts in this phase are going to be a nightmare to keep track of

If you want to help the nice mod men out just post your full list any time you edit it.

[mcmcsalot]

mcmc is out for me for now.

I think I like add: Robz and add: MiX for now mostly based on tone so far and I’ll look more closely at others later.

In this game too there is essentially no pro town excuse for lurking—if you’re town you want to be in the coalition and no one can add you if you’re not talking and giving others something to go off of, so I’m most likely gonna not have a sense of my full list until we’re a few days in and everyone has said a decent amount each.

Why are you out on me? Do you not like my idea for how to formulate the coalition, do you think my stated ability to read people is disingenuous, or just don't like that I am excluding you?

I think you seem a bit jumpy

Jumpy like quick to act? That's reasonable, I am excited to be playing again! Though not sure why thats scummy. Unless you mean jumpy like skittish which I don't think I have been.

But I do also wonder why you specifically don’t want to consider me—did you buy joth’s argument that being against a random coalition is scummy?

No, I don't think being against a random coalition is scummy. I think town is as likely to not want that as scum. I took you out only because I felt robz and joth would have a better time reading eevee than you. You are absolutely my 6th man up currently, as stated I think I can read you and eevee better than Awaclus, Scola, and Jack but worse than Robz, Joth, and Mix

[mcmcsalot]

vote counts in this phase are going to be a nightmare to keep track of

If you want to help the nice mod men out just post your full list any time you edit it.

Yea I think we should 100% do this for clarity purposes

[Cuzz]

vote counts in this phase are going to be a nightmare to keep track of

If you want to help the nice mod men out just post your full list any time you edit it.

I agree this seems like a friendly thing to do. I’ll get in the habit once I’ve got 5

[Cuzz]

They are probably pushing each other to be added to the coalition, aren't they?

We need to have town steer the ship so everyone (just town!) be extra stubborn and suspicious of mafia trying to manipulate you. They can cook up all sort of schemes in the day chat.

Who is “they?” Just scum in general?

[mcmcsalot]

They are probably pushing each other to be added to the coalition, aren't they?

We need to have town steer the ship so everyone (just town!) be extra stubborn and suspicious of mafia trying to manipulate you. They can cook up all sort of schemes in the day chat.

As joth said, wifom about if scum wants to be 2 in or 1 in 1 out. I guess once scum knows if they are 1 in 1 out or 2 in they will adjust their NK preferences accordingly. Probably they care most about the whole 1 in so we don't lose the game and then let the other one fall in where they will based on looking least scummy.

[Eevee]

They are probably pushing each other to be added to the coalition, aren't they?

We need to have town steer the ship so everyone (just town!) be extra stubborn and suspicious of mafia trying to manipulate you. They can cook up all sort of schemes in the day chat.

Who is “they?” Just scum in general?

Yup.

[jotheonah]

They are probably pushing each other to be added to the coalition, aren't they?

We need to have town steer the ship so everyone (just town!) be extra stubborn and suspicious of mafia trying to manipulate you. They can cook up all sort of schemes in the day chat.

As joth said, wifom about if scum wants to be 2 in or 1 in 1 out. I guess once scum knows if they are 1 in 1 out or 2 in they will adjust their NK preferences accordingly. Probably they care most about the whole 1 in so we don't lose the game and then let the other one fall in where they will based on looking least scummy.

But that's like WIFOM within WIFOM because whether they NK in or out of the group also sends a message about where they fall, but it's also a message they know we're reading... it makes my head hurt.

That's partly why I'm not too bothered about speculating about this out loud. I guarantee scum is having these conversations, so we may as well have them out in the open here so that everyone is equally aware of the game. Also, it's something to talk about.

[Cuzz]

mcmc is out for me for now.

I think I like add: Robz and add: MiX for now mostly based on tone so far and I’ll look more closely at others later.

In this game too there is essentially no pro town excuse for lurking—if you’re town you want to be in the coalition and no one can add you if you’re not talking and giving others something to go off of, so I’m most likely gonna not have a sense of my full list until we’re a few days in and everyone has said a decent amount each.

Why are you out on me? Do you not like my idea for how to formulate the coalition, do you think my stated ability to read people is disingenuous, or just don't like that I am excluding you?

I think you seem a bit jumpy

Jumpy like quick to act? That's reasonable, I am excited to be playing again! Though not sure why thats scummy. Unless you mean jumpy like skittish which I don't think I have been.

But I do also wonder why you specifically don’t want to consider me—did you buy joth’s argument that being against a random coalition is scummy?

No, I don't think being against a random coalition is scummy. I think town is as likely to not want that as scum. I took you out only because I felt robz and joth would have a better time reading eevee than you. You are absolutely my 6th man up currently, as stated I think I can read you and eevee better than Awaclus, Scola, and Jack but worse than Robz, Joth, and Mix

I also just disagree with this approach in general—the point of this phase is still scumhunting, and we win if we do it well.

You seem to be assuming (hoping?) that it’s certain we won’t get it right in this phase and out of the gate you are jumping to this meta level based on who can read whom best going forwards, instead of just who seems most likely to be town.

[Robz888]

That's partly why I'm not too bothered about speculating about this out loud. I guarantee scum is having these conversations, so we may as well have them out in the open here so that everyone is equally aware of the game. Also, it's something to talk about.

I strongly agree with this remark in general, but particularly because scum have day chat... and also, we don't have PRs. The number one reason to avoid setup speculation is to avoid outing special townies, or avoid giving scum indication of who has thought about setup ramifications the hardest.

[Robz888]

I guess 1 in, 1 out is what scum is aiming for, but it doesn't seem THAT important, the biggest thing of course is that they just don't want to lose immediately.

[Cuzz]

That's partly why I'm not too bothered about speculating about this out loud. I guarantee scum is having these conversations, so we may as well have them out in the open here so that everyone is equally aware of the game. Also, it's something to talk about.

I strongly agree with this remark in general, but particularly because scum have day chat... and also, we don't have PRs. The number one reason to avoid setup speculation is to avoid outing special townies, or avoid giving scum indication of who has thought about setup ramifications the hardest.

Isn’t it also to avoid giving scum ideas about optimal play that they may not have thought of?

[Robz888]

Man, scum having day chat was NOT advertised very prominently. I thought I had read the setup carefully enough—it's a new setup!—and I didn't notice it.

Did other people notice it? Other than Eevee? I was not scum!reading Eevee at all, but in this specific case it seems like something scum would recognize more readily than town. It's only noted in the mafia PM...

[Cuzz]

Man, scum having day chat was NOT advertised very prominently. I thought I had read the setup carefully enough—it's a new setup!—and I didn't notice it.

Did other people notice it? Other than Eevee? I was not scum!reading Eevee at all, but in this specific case it seems like something scum would recognize more readily than town. It's only noted in the mafia PM...

I noticed it from reading the mafiascum wiki page before the game began.

Eevee either just noticed it or decided to pretend to just notice it for cheap town points.

[Cuzz]

Daychat means scum can end up being less active in thread than they mean to be, since however active they feel like they’re being during the day, some large fraction of that is hidden away in the scum chat.

[mcmcsalot]

Man, scum having day chat was NOT advertised very prominently. I thought I had read the setup carefully enough—it's a new setup!—and I didn't notice it.

Did other people notice it? Other than Eevee? I was not scum!reading Eevee at all, but in this specific case it seems like something scum would recognize more readily than town. It's only noted in the mafia PM...

I did not notice it either until eevee mentioned it.

[mcmcsalot]

I also just disagree with this approach in general—the point of this phase is still scumhunting, and we win if we do it well.

You seem to be assuming (hoping?) that it’s certain we won’t get it right in this phase and out of the gate you are jumping to this meta level based on who can read whom best going forwards, instead of just who seems most likely to be town.

That makes sense. I am definitely building my coalition around the tangible ability to read players vs the D1 town read victory win con which I am just assuming wont happen. Though I for sure will adjust my coalition based on reads as those develop.

[Eevee]

One of these things happened

Option A
I went back to post#1 to re-read the setup and caught day chat in the mafia pm with my eagle eyes

Option B
I've been chatting away with my partner in the mafia thread all this time and decided to bring it up for town cred.

Who thinks A/B?

[Robz888]

One of these things happened

Option A
I went back to post#1 to re-read the setup and caught day chat in the mafia pm with my eagle eyes

Option B
I've been chatting away with my partner in the mafia thread all this time and decided to bring it up for town cred.

Who thinks A/B?

I mean, both are plausible! But I know I didn't catch it. I'm possibly not the most observant reader of things like this, which is why I wonder about everyone else.

[mcmcsalot]

If it was me it would be B but I am bad a reading the setup and I like to make “pro-town” posts as scum. Similar to talking about scum plans as town, I think town is going to figure it out eventually might as well take credit. All that said it doesn’t change that it is indeed pro-town of eevee to point out.

[mcmcsalot]

Robz what did you think about my post for a me, you, joth, eevee, mix coalition?