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[Jeebus]

 
If you make your opponent play Change on a Possession turn, what happens? Do you get the debt? This is a blue-dog question, and I assume "the difference" refers to the difference between the card you trashed and the card you gained, meaning that you don't get the debt.

[Donald X.]

If you make your opponent play Change on a Possession turn, what happens? Do you get the debt? This is a blue-dog question, and I assume "the difference" refers to the difference between the card you trashed and the card you gained, meaning that you don't get the debt.

I'm going with, the gain didn't happen, so there's no debt.

[Karpeth]

If you make your opponent play Change on a Possession turn, what happens? Do you get the debt? This is a blue-dog question, and I assume "the difference" refers to the difference between the card you trashed and the card you gained, meaning that you don't get the debt.

I'm going with, the gain didn't happen, so there's no debt.

But there’s no conditional?
What I would read it as would be:
If the possessed player has no debt, you possession-trash a card; its selected, when it tries to end up in the trash, it’s set aside, to be discarded. Since you are on the second conditional, you possession-gain a card; that is, it’s gained to you instead. You compare the gained card with the card, now set aside - and possession-gain the relevant debt?

[Awaclus]

But there’s no conditional?

There is always the implicit conditional that you only do things you can do. There is no "gained card", since the gaining was replaced with a different thing by Possession, so you can't compare the costs.

[GendoIkari]

If you make your opponent play Change on a Possession turn, what happens? Do you get the debt? This is a blue-dog question, and I assume "the difference" refers to the difference between the card you trashed and the card you gained, meaning that you don't get the debt.

I'm going with, the gain didn't happen, so there's no debt.

But there’s no conditional?
What I would read it as would be:
If the possessed player has no debt, you possession-trash a card; its selected, when it tries to end up in the trash, it’s set aside, to be discarded. Since you are on the second conditional, you possession-gain a card; that is, it’s gained to you instead. You compare the gained card with the card, now set aside - and possession-gain the relevant debt?

This goes back to the original Ironworks Trader question. Ironworks tried to gain a card. Trader replaced that gain with something else so that gain never happened. The fact that what Trader replaced it with was also a gain is irrelevant. Possession is the same; it replaces the gain with a new event, so "the gained card" doesn't exist.

[Karpeth]

If you make your opponent play Change on a Possession turn, what happens? Do you get the debt? This is a blue-dog question, and I assume "the difference" refers to the difference between the card you trashed and the card you gained, meaning that you don't get the debt.

I'm going with, the gain didn't happen, so there's no debt.

But there’s no conditional?
What I would read it as would be:
If the possessed player has no debt, you possession-trash a card; its selected, when it tries to end up in the trash, it’s set aside, to be discarded. Since you are on the second conditional, you possession-gain a card; that is, it’s gained to you instead. You compare the gained card with the card, now set aside - and possession-gain the relevant debt?

This goes back to the original Ironworks Trader question. Ironworks tried to gain a card. Trader replaced that gain with something else so that gain never happened. The fact that what Trader replaced it with was also a gain is irrelevant. Possession is the same; it replaces the gain with a new event, so "the gained card" doesn't exist.

but it's not the same? ironworks trader removes a card, so it's not targetable. Possession changes the target of where to gain - knowing where it ends up, like gain to hand, gain to play, gain to exile, and wherever more you can gain to, the card is where you expect it to be - gained to another players discard, as the card expects it?

[Jeebus]

This goes back to the original Ironworks Trader question. Ironworks tried to gain a card. Trader replaced that gain with something else so that gain never happened. The fact that what Trader replaced it with was also a gain is irrelevant. Possession is the same; it replaces the gain with a new event, so "the gained card" doesn't exist.

but it's not the same? ironworks trader removes a card, so it's not targetable. Possession changes the target of where to gain - knowing where it ends up, like gain to hand, gain to play, gain to exile, and wherever more you can gain to, the card is where you expect it to be - gained to another players discard, as the card expects it?

Trader (version 1) and Possession both cancel the gain. If you use Trader, you didn't gain the card. If you're Possessed, you didn't gain the card. Ironworks and Change look for the card you gained - and you didn't gain a card.

Also, Trader and Change do not expect the gained card to end up in another player's discard pile. But that doesn't really matter, since this is not about losing track of the card. What matters is that you didn't even gain the card, so there is no gained card to track.

[GendoIkari]

If you make your opponent play Change on a Possession turn, what happens? Do you get the debt? This is a blue-dog question, and I assume "the difference" refers to the difference between the card you trashed and the card you gained, meaning that you don't get the debt.

I'm going with, the gain didn't happen, so there's no debt.

But there’s no conditional?
What I would read it as would be:
If the possessed player has no debt, you possession-trash a card; its selected, when it tries to end up in the trash, it’s set aside, to be discarded. Since you are on the second conditional, you possession-gain a card; that is, it’s gained to you instead. You compare the gained card with the card, now set aside - and possession-gain the relevant debt?

This goes back to the original Ironworks Trader question. Ironworks tried to gain a card. Trader replaced that gain with something else so that gain never happened. The fact that what Trader replaced it with was also a gain is irrelevant. Possession is the same; it replaces the gain with a new event, so "the gained card" doesn't exist.

but it's not the same? ironworks trader removes a card, so it's not targetable. Possession changes the target of where to gain - knowing where it ends up, like gain to hand, gain to play, gain to exile, and wherever more you can gain to, the card is where you expect it to be - gained to another players discard, as the card expects it?

Possession and Trader (v1) were always ruled to work the same way, whichever way the original ruling would have ended up. They both cancel a gain, and replace that gain with another event. In both cases, that other event is gaining a card. With Trader, the new card is a silver. With Possession, the new card happens to be the same one that would have been gained without Possession. But that never mattered to the question people were asking about how Ironworks should work. If Ironworks had been ruled that it counted the card even though it wasn't gained, that would have applied to both Trader and Possession (and Change).