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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2425 on: August 24, 2024, 09:49:24 pm »

Sorry, that was snarky. I’m tired.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2426 on: August 24, 2024, 09:49:51 pm »

To be more specific, if two tracking roles don't make sense, what would "catching" me achieve?
Even if we could both be Town, how would Tracking me distinguish between scum me doing the kill and Town me Watching the kill target?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2427 on: August 24, 2024, 10:18:47 pm »

It was Swowl or me. He was town to everyone, except for a minute yesterday maybe you. Can’t risk a bomb and obvi he’s not killing his buddy, so there’s not a lot left.

I think killing me makes more sense, honestly, but Jimmm just plans on making it a 1v1 and getting you and some else to act on your tunnel from yesterday. He knows you wanted to exile me, so he has a pretty good shot at that. You were 100% correct that Swowl and I were a team. It’s just the green team.

It’s two more days of mis-exile-and-lose so scum just has to keep us eating our own and they win.

Wht not me?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2428 on: August 24, 2024, 10:51:40 pm »

Didds is scum (two tracking roles makes no sense).
Didds would do the kill to keep her partner safe.
I don't need a Night action to tell me this.
Confirming or catching scola would give me information I don't already have.
But wouldn't you have expected scola to doctor Swowl?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2429 on: August 24, 2024, 10:57:42 pm »

Seems unlikely.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2430 on: August 24, 2024, 11:00:41 pm »

There were so many investigative claims that it was pea soup trying to figure out who was telling the truth. Everyone is claiming to have tried to do something overnight with the claimants but it's hard to see how that would have been useful. Case in point, Didds seems to have caught Jimmmmm, but we're not sure who to believe.

Those of us who are town need to be careful not to let the frequent scum posters derail us in our scumhunting. Right now all 3 "prs" are going around in circles with assumptions that are imo pretty questionable.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2431 on: August 24, 2024, 11:19:21 pm »

Which assumptions do you not accept?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2432 on: August 24, 2024, 11:36:55 pm »

Didds is scum (two tracking roles makes no sense).
Didds would do the kill to keep her partner safe.
I don't need a Night action to tell me this.
Confirming or catching scola would give me information I don't already have.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2433 on: August 24, 2024, 11:38:23 pm »

If Didds was Town I would have expected scum to have a Ninja. What they had is a conditional Ninja they never used. There's no way we have two full tracking roles.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2434 on: August 24, 2024, 11:39:04 pm »

OK I disagree with your seeming 100% that she's scum (from your PoV), but I just reread your first post and did see the double negative there.

Today's claims aside, can you conceive of an argument that we could have two full tracking roles?

Same question to you EFHW.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2435 on: August 24, 2024, 11:41:38 pm »

I don’t think that two baddies would have bussed Cuzz.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2436 on: August 24, 2024, 11:42:32 pm »

OK I disagree with your seeming 100% that she's scum (from your PoV), but I just reread your first post and did see the double negative there.

Today's claims aside, can you conceive of an argument that we could have two full tracking roles?

Same question to you EFHW.
It seems unlikely. But which one is the fake?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2437 on: August 24, 2024, 11:45:28 pm »

Are you saying that it's not unlikely enough for me to base my Night action around it?

What assumptions from Didds and scola do you not accept?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2438 on: August 24, 2024, 11:46:26 pm »

I would have tracked Didds or you. Honorable mention to to RBing swowl., who I still suspected (sorry swowl!)

Adding to my list of questionable assumptions.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2439 on: August 24, 2024, 11:50:15 pm »

Are you saying that it's not unlikely enough for me to base my Night action around it?

What assumptions from Didds and scola do you not accept?
I don't see why you would base your night actions around the double tracker claim. You would not know how to interpret your result and the likely nk went unmatched.

I posted one each from Didds and scola. Just looking at one page.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2440 on: August 24, 2024, 11:51:19 pm »

I would have tracked Didds or you. Honorable mention to to RBing swowl., who I still suspected (sorry swowl!)

Adding to my list of questionable assumptions.

Wait what's the questionable assumption here? What I assumed I would've done?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2441 on: August 24, 2024, 11:53:47 pm »

Oh I missed your post about the one from Didds.

You would not know how to interpret your result and the likely nk went unmatched.

Sorry I'm having trouble parsing this sentence.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2442 on: August 25, 2024, 12:32:24 am »

I would have tracked Didds or you. Honorable mention to to RBing swowl., who I still suspected (sorry swowl!)

Adding to my list of questionable assumptions.

Wait what's the questionable assumption here? What I assumed I would've done?

Not that it matters.

From my PoV, I know that one of them is scum.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2443 on: August 25, 2024, 03:32:54 am »

Okay, now caught up, and this is where I'm at concerning claims.

The full Roleblocker flip that we had makes it more likely that we have two Bombs, if Roleblockers work the way scola claims they do (and I don't really see what scola would hope to gain by lying about this). This together with the fact that scum killed a VT and not one of the PRs seems to indicate to me that there are 2 scum among {Didds, scola, Jimmmmm}.

On the other hand, I still think it seems very odd that scum would just accept a potential IC!Bomb and not try to counterclaim. That point still stands so I remain suspicious of EFHW, but it's no longer at the level it was yesterday.

Jimmmmm's Watcher target seems convoluted. But I don't really see the advantage this as a scum claim. The straightforward path for him is just to say "I watched the NK and saw [whoever they want to set up]". Claiming to have Watched Didds doesn't achieve anything for them. So that's somewhat tonwie.

scola lied. This is not great but certainly consistent with his play so far. Would he lie as scum? Well there's two lines of reasoning here:
1. the extra bit in the claim was planned to be revealed a lie during the Night because they hoped for towncred. scola certainly made the argument that "I'm taking too many risks to be scum" before, and that plays into that.
2. He didn't see a good way to fake a target that was consistent with the other claims.
Either is possible and so scola's behaviour is a bit of a wash.

Didds is scummy. Her claimed target is inconsistent with the way she claimed to have played before, is based on very questionable reasoning ("Jimmmmm is scum because he was asleep when we consolidated"), and is just the line scum would take here, setting up the 1v1.

So purely on claims I would argue that Didds is scum and then a partner is most likely one of scola/EFHW with slight preference to scola. But I'll have to do some rereading to see whether that works out with the way they played.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2444 on: August 25, 2024, 07:53:20 am »

if Roleblockers work the way scola claims they do (and I don't really see what scola would hope to gain by lying about this)

Cuzz's Roleblocker did.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2445 on: August 25, 2024, 08:54:50 am »

@faust You said 2 scum in {scola/Didds/Jimmmmm}, but then you have me as the 2nd scum.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2446 on: August 25, 2024, 08:58:50 am »

Right now I'm thinking Didds and Jimmmmm are bussing each other.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2447 on: August 25, 2024, 10:35:10 am »

@faust You said 2 scum in {scola/Didds/Jimmmmm}, but then you have me as the 2nd scum.
Well you should read on at "On the other hand".
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2448 on: August 25, 2024, 10:36:32 am »

Right now I'm thinking Didds and Jimmmmm are bussing each other.
You really think they would claim Watcher/Tracker? And now bus each other instead of providing matching results to frame someone else?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2449 on: August 25, 2024, 10:49:47 am »

Didds is scum (two tracking roles makes no sense).
Didds would do the kill to keep her partner safe.
I don't need a Night action to tell me this.
Confirming or catching scola would give me information I don't already have.
But wouldn't you have expected scola to doctor Swowl?

That was my guess. I’m glad I’m not bananas!
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