For funsies, I have applied Jimmmmm's analysis of shraeye's posts to his own.
JokesOMGUS Vote: mcmc
Are you calling me fluffy?
Sounds ominous.
FluffJust noticed there's a spattering of posts titled "Re: ZM25..." because their quoting traces back to the Setup post.
Smattering?
Congrats Didds and debate and all the aforementioned!
Gotcha.
Anyway I'm done for tonight. Sorry if my tired brain wasn't making sense. I'll stick with shraeye for now and see if the Day's still going in the morning. Night!
I'm here now.
There certainly is!
EtiquetteMorning!
Theory/MetaI mean, there could be no multiple kills, or there could be only one Bomb [...]
Wait you're saying that if there's a Vig, then there's another role that would prevent the double Bomb kill?
I don't think we're meant to conclude that multiple kills are more likely than the average 12p game.
I'm not a fan of these types of arguments, as they incentivise people to not know what's going on. Town, read the setup.
Scum are entitled to ask you to not find them scummy.
Deadline is 10am for me, which is perfectly fine if we actually wait until deadline. If a hammer came with a few hours to spare I'd likely still be asleep.
What sort of information?
Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?
The question didn't ask for a list, just top read/s.
Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.
Fair enough.
I don't really see the difference between "content" (as opposed to fluff or lurking) and "letting scum know what you're thinking". Of course not every single thought a person has is helpful to share, but I don't see that as a reason to avoid engaging with questions about reads.
Is that 3 hours before deadline? If so, that would be 7am for me, at which time I'm usually still asleep. I can get up early but it might be a bit of a struggle to contribute much meaningful by then.
I don't really buy into that kind of wagon analysis. I don't think scum cares that much what position on the wagon they are. They just want to look Towny and can do so from any position.
Depends on who scum is I guess. Some scum would absolutely bus or let a teammate die instead of risking looking scummy by resisting.
Self-analysis/defenseThat's the only statement you've made about him that I found, and it was enough to help inform your view on joth.
Yeah I'll have some thoughts on mcmc approximating a Day 1 conclusion soon. I think mcmc has provided some of the more analysable content, so to the extent that the wagon contributed to that, I think it's been helpful.
I was. Then I forgot about it. I'll look at Robz before the Day ends as well.
When I was playing more often, I recall getting the sense that there was often a similarity between how players who we tended to exile on Day 1 played [...]
Because I'm not going to bed just yet.
I'm considering whether the Day will still be going when I wake up and whether I should be on the seemingly more viable of the fang alternatives.
Right now I'm tired and aware that most or all of the rest of the Day will happen without me.
Oh I forgot Didds moved to shraeye.
Yeah I get why it was weird to say I might move to Robz but not do it. Normally when the deadline is overnight and there's no plurality exile it can matter where my vote is to help get the required number. That's the brainspace I was in. But yeah, a potential soft-deadline or hammer is different.
I was aware that voting for shraeye after Swowl's posts would likely be called out, but I wasn't going to let that change my intention to move my vote, and likely to shraeye.
Oh, I took it as asking if Swowl might move to Robz.
NeutralGiven that most of his posts are from the last 12 hours, I'm probably not going to get a good feel for them before deadline. I think prior to that the potentially scummiest thing I've seen from him is picking fang and mcmc as his scum reads for some reason and voting fang because wagons. Maybe he's provided an explanation on that that I've missed.
Opinions on words/actions taken by playersI feel like you were hunting for an adjective to describe shraeye's 2 relevant posts. Cagey doesn't seem to fit to me.
Cagey" to me, and by definition, is "reluctant to give information"
I just took it as bias from you voting for him. Curious to know if he feels similarly about your history.
Yeah, I get the sense the two of you were missing each other a bit. Eg him protesting that he didn't say anything about it being the second vote, but I took your question to be more like, "Given that it was only the second vote, how can you say it's pushing for an exile?"
shraeye sticks out to me as someone with a reasonable post count but next to no content, which is vaguely ironic as he's the one who initially asked about who was "content-full" or otherwise.
Unexplained reads[...] When I think of mcmc's game so far as a whole - this, his activity level, the arguments and possible miscommunications he's had, it strikes me as a classic Day 1 misexile. I just don't think that's how you actually catch scum.
I'm tending to think relatively favourably towards fang.
Because I think shraeye is a better choice than any of them.
Because if it comes down to fang v Robz I'd pick Robz, and I don't know what's going to happen while I'm asleep. I suppose if your point is that if someone wants to hammer fang they'll do it regardless of where my vote is you might be right.
Reads with something vaguely approaching an explanationAs I mentioned earlier, I think shraeye is more in the category of "acti-lurker".
I'm inclined to say that Robz is probably a better choice than fang or mcmc. Maybe I should move my vote before I go to bed.
Questionsmcmc, do you now disagree with this statement? How would you now characterise joth's apparent intentions here?
So it still feels like joth was trying to get an exile rather than scumhunt?
What's the purpose of your question?
mcmc: What do/did you believe joth had in mind regarding the source of his bias against you?
joth: Was the source of the bias you had in mind just mcmc's vote on you, or from past games as well? Can you verify that you and mcmc often find yourselves "wagoning each other regardless of alignment"?
[..] Anything I've missed or misunderstood?
What about fang seemed Towny to you? Does his game up until you said this still seem Towny, or do you interpret it differently now?
Did you just pick the two people with multiples votes? Would you pick mcmc if not for wagon considerations?
Hi fang! Why are people voting for you again?
Did concluding that joth's comment about the possible Awaclus wagon wasn't scummy change your stance on his strong wording seeming out of place?
Is/was your Townread on mcmc still strong enough that the unvote was partly still sheeping him?
Is the reason for this vote that you feel like fang misrepresented you in a scummy way?
LHF?
Do you have any reasoning other than lurking?
So just like, more extreme lurking than there would be if he was Town because he thinks he can get away with it?
fang is just, like, your default in case nothing better comes up?
The huge mistake would be exiling Robz or not exiling fang?
Are you hesitant to vote for Robz in part because he's expressed a Townread on you from the start?
Care to elaborate?
I am going to bed soon. I'll be up for a few hours before deadline, if there's no hammer before then. Anyone have any questions etc for me before I go?
Do you have an example of this?
Just because I've been asleep, or has my play in general been forgettable?
Because you figured your claim would save you if it came to it?
The reads and vote, or not explaining them?
Why do you think that is?
Wait how is it buddying?
So if we filter down to non-neutral opinions about this game and the other players in it, we get:
mcmc is a misexile
fang is town
Robz is scummier than fang or mcmc
shraeye is acti-lurking
So overall we can say that shraeye had more D1 opinions than Jimmmmm.
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