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[WestCoastDidds]

I intend to move to Robz at some point, but at the moment I think that just consolidates the Robz v shraeye alternatives. I would rather we had like Robz v scola.

Hmmm… I agree with that. And we’re at the point where we need to consolidate for real.

Vote: Scola

[faust]

Well, I have to go. Maybe I'll check in briefly from bed, but no guarantees. My vote is best placed like so:

Vote: scola

[WestCoastDidds]

So just like, more extreme lurking than there would be if he was Town because he thinks he can get away with it?

Yes, and that is also exactly what he does when he's scum. Just stays kind of engaged and noncommittal.  So, he could be just busy but he could also have no good reason he needs to engage because he's not scum hunting. At the very least its not pro-town or helpful.

Didds, related to other question - I agree I've lurked as scum, do you agree I've also lurked as town? If so, is there a particular reason you lean scum over town this game? (and if you don't agree, I'd love to here more)

I think I find you shady about half of the time. Less than mix, more often than Joth. Obviously you have periods of disengagement in any game, we all do. But I also know that you use lurking as a strategy not just a temporary situation. It’s an effective strategy because you just get a pass and avoid ever putting yourself on the line.

I will fully admit that I could be wrong about you. I think my chances of being right are better than a random guess, though, which is typical D1.

[Swowl]

Sell me on Robz?

Honestly you seem easier to sell on scola. Maybe move there? I'll even consider joining you.

Scola's posts so far in order:

- Hi (nothing)
- sorry not here (nothing)
- still sorry not here, I think mcmc or fang top skum reads (something)
- fluff, votes for fang (something)
- sorry I haven't been here, here is why (nothing)
- An actual post (that I agree with) about activity being neutral (real post)
- fluff about not liking day 1 (nothing)
- Shraeye is skummy but not skummy (nothing)
- Didds is this how I play as skum (nothing..?)

k then today they vote for Shraeye and there is some actual stuff after that.

Here is my point. The dude hasn't done anything. Which I get in it's own is kind of a thing... but like... If you want someone that hasn't done anything to be wagoned, I would say Shraeye is a far better candidate

[Swowl]

Additionally if you want someone who hasn't done anything - why not Cuzz?

I just don't get how scola is the pick here for people. What am I missing?

[Swowl]

to be clear, that is not me saying I like a Cuzz wagon - it is just a comp

[Awaclus]

I think this post from Robz himself makes the Robz case pretty neatly:

What is so bad about my play? My play consists of:

- punishing lurkers
- promoting wagons
- agreeing and or disagreeing with players who are making bolder claims

I think these are good things.

Besides pushing wagons on people he thinks are going to claim PRs, he's basically only doing stuff that's ostensibly good or at least easy to frame as pro-town, but in a way that doesn't put any of his towncred at stake:

- If we "punish a lurker" by exiling them and they turn out to be town, that won't give us new information re: Robz's alignment because Robz's argument for exiling them is that they're lurking, which we already know is true before they even flip, and so when we get the flip, there's nothing there to reinterpret in light of that flip.

- If we have wagons, then I guess we have wagons; that might add up to some evidence that could be used against scum!Robz in the future over time, but it's all pretty nebulous and isn't going to put any kind of a spotlight on Robz for the time being.

- Agreeing with a bold claim is much less of a commitment than making the claim in the first place (if you turn out to have been wrong, you can just argue that clearly it was reasonable to be wrong because other people were wrong too) and disagreeing with a bold claim is almost tautologically easy because it wouldn't be a bold claim if it was hard to disagree with.

[Swowl]

I intend to move to Robz at some point, but at the moment I think that just consolidates the Robz v shraeye alternatives. I would rather we had like Robz v scola.

Hmmm… I agree with that. And we’re at the point where we need to consolidate for real.

Vote: Scola

What happened between the time you voted for Shraeye and now? We were perfectly consolidated on Shraeye. Shraeye defense votes, then Robz Defense votes, that is 2 solid wagons... with a winner.

[scolapasta]

Additionally if you want someone who hasn't done anything - why not Cuzz?

I just don't get how scola is the pick here for people. What am I missing?

Me too (obvs). But see, I post more, and i get votes.

Anyway, I think Didds 50% seems low from recollection, but sure, let's go with that. well, I've been scum more than the average (I think) but definitely not 50% of the time. So I don't think this:

I will fully admit that I could be wrong about you. I think my chances of being right are better than a random guess, though, which is typical D1.

actually follows.

I'm. still happy with my shraeye vote. If it's a scolawagon vs a robzwagon, I of course would move. Didds is starting to ping me some more, as she feels stubbornly on me. But as I've said, she's definitely done that before as town.

[Awaclus]

shraeye (4): Swowl, Jimmmmm, Didds, scolapasta
Robz888 (3): Awaclus, faust, joth
infangthief (2): Robz888, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (1): shraeye
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
scolapasta (1): infangthief
Not Voting (0):

I believe this is where we stand.

Updated (didn't check if Swowl's version was correct but I'm just going to assume it was):

shraeye (3): Swowl, Jimmmmm, scolapasta
scolapasta (3): infangthief, Didds, faust
Robz888 (2): Awaclus, joth
infangthief (2): Robz888, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (1): shraeye
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
Not Voting (0):

[Awaclus]

I don't think we need to consolidate necessarily. It's fine to have 3-4 competing wagons, one of them is going to go through anyway.

[scolapasta]

It's interesting that two of the votes for me (correct me if I'm wrong) are euro votes that may have to leave them there when they sign off... which if/when I'm misexiled, is an easy excuse.

Not saying it makes them scummy, but it's something.

Also, and I feel a little embarassed about this - all this time, in my mind I have been conflating fang's meta with mathdude (not in this game). So when I said I usually find him scummy in most games, I was in another world. Luckily I'm not curently voting for him, so it doesn't change my current stance, but yeah, sorry for the confusion. Not even sure exactly why.

[scolapasta]

I don't think we need to consolidate necessarily. It's fine to have 3-4 competing wagons, one of them is going to go through anyway.

Yeah, that's the danger (at least for me) with 2 who may sign off soon on me.

[Swowl]

It's interesting that two of the votes for me (correct me if I'm wrong) are euro votes that may have to leave them there when they sign off... which if/when I'm misexiled, is an easy excuse.

Not saying it makes them scummy, but it's something.

Also, and I feel a little embarassed about this - all this time, in my mind I have been conflating fang's meta with mathdude (not in this game). So when I said I usually find him scummy in most games, I was in another world. Luckily I'm not curently voting for him, so it doesn't change my current stance, but yeah, sorry for the confusion. Not even sure exactly why.

I used to do that all the time actually - I think it is because they started on the forum around the same time?

[Swowl]

I don't think we need to consolidate necessarily. It's fine to have 3-4 competing wagons, one of them is going to go through anyway.

The issue with multi wagons is the coin flip. I don't live the idea of not making people commit to wagons.

[WestCoastDidds]

I intend to move to Robz at some point, but at the moment I think that just consolidates the Robz v shraeye alternatives. I would rather we had like Robz v scola.

Hmmm… I agree with that. And we’re at the point where we need to consolidate for real.

Vote: Scola

What happened between the time you voted for Shraeye and now? We were perfectly consolidated on Shraeye. Shraeye defense votes, then Robz Defense votes, that is 2 solid wagons... with a winner.

Three very small things:

I didn’t like Scola following me to Shraeye. And I had the day to think about Shraeye and during that time I thought he had more to add than Scola did.  Finally, it felt very friendly of Scola to appeal directly to me with “you could be wrong” and we all know that I’m especially susceptible to friendly overtures. Additional small thing was Faust’s resistance to the Shraeye votes.

[MiX]

Vote Count 1.5

shraeye (3): Swowl, Jimmmmm, scolapasta
scolapasta (3): infangthief, Didds, faust
Robz888 (2): Awaclus, joth
infangthief (2): Robz888, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (1): shraeye
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to exile. Day 1 ends July 29, 2024, 08:00:00 pm. That is about 2 hours from now.

[jotheonah]

Joth, how firmly are you sold on Robz?

I’d consider going back to fang. But that’s about it.

[WestCoastDidds]

It's interesting that two of the votes for me (correct me if I'm wrong) are euro votes that may have to leave them there when they sign off... which if/when I'm misexiled, is an easy excuse.

Not saying it makes them scummy, but it's something.

Also, and I feel a little embarassed about this - all this time, in my mind I have been conflating fang's meta with mathdude (not in this game). So when I said I usually find him scummy in most games, I was in another world. Luckily I'm not curently voting for him, so it doesn't change my current stance, but yeah, sorry for the confusion. Not even sure exactly why.

I used to do that all the time actually - I think it is because they started on the forum around the same time?

Ah, yes. Mathdude is super cagey. He’s in Canada has kids and teaches maths. Fang is in the UK and did the treasure hunt with us a while back. See, all this random information I accumulate is useful for something!

[jotheonah]

Eh, I’d also maybe go scola. Mainly because I’m townreading faust so hard.

But I like the Robz vote. He really does hard buddy me as scum quite a lot and it usually works.

[Robz888]

I’m not caught up, am I needed for anything?

[Robz888]

I forgot I have a concert to attend tonight. Green Day / Smashing Pumpkins wooo

[Robz888]

Vote: scola

[Robz888]

I could also vote for shraeye

[Awaclus]

I would prefer a Robz exile, but I will vote for scola over shraeye if Robz is not an option.