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[Awaclus]

Regardless of whether you think he's the exile for today, do you think scola is PR town or lying scum?

Probably, although I would not rule out the possibility that he is a lying VT.

[shraeye]

Does anyone want to tell us what the thing was?

I was confused that nobody else knew what the thing was. Mcmcs discussion about joth reminding him they wagon each other. That discussion was not had, mcmcs explanation for what he meant looked like a very thin stretch. Words. He didn't use the right words to describe what I saw in the public thread. I was sure that mcmc had made this note himself in a scum thread somewhere and was misremembering that it wasn't public knowledge.

Thought it was a smoking gun, turns out it was smoked herring.

OK so 3 things here...

1. Joth and MCMC have been on this site together like forever. And I know you are not always in games, but there is like no way in heck you don't know that.
2. The two of them do generally go at it like it is mandatory (not holding that one against you for not knowing).

But then 3.... even with you being here for quite some time, and then somehow not knowing the second thing... how do you look at this and assume that this is what happened? Like, specifically how do you get there before you look at it and say "oh obviously they have played a ton together and that is what they are referencing?"

This just doesn't fit together for me. Someone else tell me I am crazy. (hold on, I will save him the trouble: Awaclus: "you are crazy")

Because I've seen it talked about in a scum thread before as a plan or a concern of "how do I mimic town play". Hence me picking up on a reference to a discussion that want visible.

[shraeye]

faust/Shraeye - if you were around at this point (with 35 minutes to go), where would of you gone (if anywhere)?

Robz888 (5): Awaclus, joth, scolapasta, infangthief, Didds
shraeye (4): Swowl, Jimmmmm, Robz888, mcmcsalot
scolapasta (1):  faust
mcmcsalot (1): shraeye
Awaclus (1): Cuzz

Robz

[shraeye]

Regardless of whether you think he's the exile for today, do you think scola is PR town or lying scum?

Probably, although I would not rule out the possibility that he is a lying VT.

Pretty sure I've been there and done that. Although maybe I just thought about it so hard I convinced my memory it happened

[shraeye]

Didds, I think you're scum reading me now. Did you also scumread me on day1?

Does faust backing my towniness have any weight for you?

[shraeye]

Cuzz, why you never here?

[Swowl]

Oh right, because we'll effectively get investigative PR results earlier while getting rid of an extra townie whose being alive isn't going to give us another day phase. I feel like I get the argument now, but it still doesn't seem as important as making sure we use our day phases efficiently even if we turn out to have nights with an even number of deaths.

I can see that, but I guess it all then depends on how likely we think we are to get an even numer of deaths. A discussion of this seems like a uniquely bad idea though.

That is just it though - for the reason against NoEx. We don't need to talk about it - which I agree is not a great idea. We just have to agree that there are potentially factors that may exist in the game that cause our NoEx to be negated by a PR intervening or altering or whatever. Because of that possibility... would it not be better to wait to no ex until we need to (so to speak)? Like right now we get more info for a flip, so lets take the flip. If we corner ourselves, then we can NoEx then and take the extra day and go for it via best shot or mass claim or whatever it may be.

Is that not strictly better here?

Well, delaying the No Exile means we have to scumhunt with less ifno on each Day before the No Exile. On the flip side, it means that any town PRs can act with relatively more info each Night because they have the flip from the previous Day.

I don't think one is clearly strictly better than the other. I also don't like to frame this whole discussion in the abstract like this. I am mainly advocating for no exile because of the concrete game situation that we find ourselves in.

I don't think I am being abstract with the situation. That is the the situation we are in. But whatever, in the end I guess I agree with your overall point.

[Swowl]

Just seemed an odd thing to feel the need to emphasize.

Coupled with your "I was expecting to need to defend myself for making the Robz exile happen", I am up for vote: jotheonah again.

What?
Not just to this, but to the entire back and forth that got to this.

[shraeye]

Just seemed an odd thing to feel the need to emphasize.

Coupled with your "I was expecting to need to defend myself for making the Robz exile happen", I am up for vote: jotheonah again.

What?
Not just to this, but to the entire back and forth that got to this.

I don't get it either

[infangthief]

Joth had been saying he was responsible for the Robz exile (already a scummy thing to say in my book).
Jimmm asked Joth about Robz's exile being informational.
Joth responded but also brought mcmc's death into it. So I wondered if that was kind of unintentional indicating that he in some way felt responsible for both deaths.
Obviously he's not going to say that, but I thought worth pushing a bit see if he felt awkward about what he'd just said.
And we got the line "the other information newly available to me" which seems like over the top emphasizing "hey look the mcmcsalot death is as new to me as any of you".

Anyway Awaclus voted me, which threw me like, gah I'm asking these questions for a reason. So I lost it my head a bit and just went ahead with stuff anyway.

I'm going to look back at some point and see what I make of it myself when I've levelled my head a bit.

[faust]

Does faust backing my towniness have any weight for you?

Woah there, don't make more out of it than it is.

[faust]

I'm going to have a pretty busy weekend, so I won't be around much. If we could get a no exile through by tomorrow, that would be neat purely from the prespective of shifting the Day phase to a more sensible time.

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds, I think you're scum reading me now. Did you also scumread me on day1?

Does faust backing my towniness have any weight for you?

Trusting faust is what got me off of you D1. You are super hard for me to gauge so I don’t find you particularly towny, but I can’t point to anything specifically I think is scummy. Just my general sense of Shraeye-lite. If I didn’t think we should no exile today I’d be working harder at figuring that out.

[scolapasta]

Robz moving away from me so quickly seemed scummy - it's something I've done at least as scum, trying to get credit for moving away quickly from a claimed PR. I don't recall if there was something else that had pinged me at the time. (on 2nd hand I shoud've stayed on shraye, but it was late in day and I was at dinner at a friend's so not fully "there")

have I asked you yet why you claimed so early?

I thought I did answer someone at some point - I didn't think it was that early. Deadline was within 2 hrs, there was not a lot of posting, and I had two Euros on me. With plurality exile, I thought I shouldn't wait until closer to deadline.

[scolapasta]

Not sure I follow why more VTs and bombs here?

Because we're probably less likely to exile PRs. That isn't exactly foolproof though, and sometimes we hopefully exile scum which doesn't change town's ratio of PRs to VTs/bombs, which is why it probably roughly speaking does that instead of just doing that.

So wouldn't that be the opposite then, if less likely to exile PRs, then there'd be fewer VTs?

[scolapasta]

Additional small thing was Faust’s resistance to the Shraeye votes.

What about faust's resistance? Were you sheeping his Townread, did his points made sense, or did you not like the heat from him?

Townreadig Joth and faust, and they were both not at all enthusiastic about Shraeye.

Should we do that towncore thing that they do in other communities but we don't really do here because we prefer to constantly distrust each other and stab our supporters in the back like I did to Robz?

What's the towncore thing?

Where a group of folks decide they trust each other (the town core) and work together to eliminate the not-town outside that core before they turn on each other. It hinges on some mutual trust, which Joth points out, we are not so good at

You and I have ended shit on this principle. I am incapable of town reading you right now. help me.

Yeah, I've never really followed the idea of town core, since there's a decent chance that core could have a scum in it.

[scolapasta]

THIS 🔽:

Additional small thing was Faust’s resistance to the Shraeye votes.

What about faust's resistance? Were you sheeping his Townread, did his points made sense, or did you not like the heat from him?

Townreadig Joth and faust, and they were both not at all enthusiastic about Shraeye.

Should we do that towncore thing that they do in other communities but we don't really do here because we prefer to constantly distrust each other and stab our supporters in the back like I did to Robz?

FOLLOWED BY THIS 🔽:

Is it bad that I just want to get back on the fang train?

I'm a little surprised no one's come after me yet. I mean, I kind of single-handedly derailed the shraeye wagon and started/restarted the Robz wagon. If I weren't me and I were re-reading the day, I would conclude that shraeye and I were scum partners and I very deftly deflected the exile. I mean, I even defended shraeye without defending shraeye to leave myself room to get back on a shraeye wagon later with my whole "shraeye seems like a day one misexile waiting to happen" post.

Of course I know that none of that is true but -- like am I really coming off that towny? I was really ready to start my day on the defense I'm confused as to why I'm not.

read to me as quite scummy. I'm leaning towards placing a vote here.

[scolapasta]

Let's do a quick straw poll.

Regardless of whether you think he's the exile for today, do you think scola is PR town or lying scum?


I would like everyone not named scolapasta to answer this question, for posterity.

booooo... (just for not wanting me to answer)

[scolapasta]

On an unrelated note, who else here is excited for Rising Sun previews next week?? (and the teaser today)

[infangthief]

Let's do a quick straw poll.

Regardless of whether you think he's the exile for today, do you think scola is PR town or lying scum?


I would like everyone not named scolapasta to answer this question, for posterity.

booooo... (just for not wanting me to answer)

I almost replied to joth saying I would like only people named scolapasta to answer that question.

[infangthief]

On an unrelated note, who else here is excited for Rising Sun previews next week?? (and the teaser today)

Yes, definitely! The previews anyway. I haven't found myself excited by the teaser.

[infangthief]

Not sure I follow why more VTs and bombs here?

Because we're probably less likely to exile PRs. That isn't exactly foolproof though, and sometimes we hopefully exile scum which doesn't change town's ratio of PRs to VTs/bombs, which is why it probably roughly speaking does that instead of just doing that.

So wouldn't that be the opposite then, if less likely to exile PRs, then there'd be fewer VTs?

I'm taking a while on that particular point too.
This is a reason to no-exile - in order to keep the proportion of VTs high for the night time.

However I have a concern that the way in which we avoid hitting PRs may well involve PRs needing to claim (whether specifically or not).

[infangthief]

and... I'm back to not understanding that point again.
But I feel it is a very minor part of a theoretical argument and may not have any impact on the here and now.

Too tired to think clearly but I think I'm probably up for no-exile.

[Swowl]

Is it bad that I just want to get back on the fang train?

I'm a little surprised no one's come after me yet. I mean, I kind of single-handedly derailed the shraeye wagon and started/restarted the Robz wagon. If I weren't me and I were re-reading the day, I would conclude that shraeye and I were scum partners and I very deftly deflected the exile. I mean, I even defended shraeye without defending shraeye to leave myself room to get back on a shraeye wagon later with my whole "shraeye seems like a day one misexile waiting to happen" post.

Of course I know that none of that is true but -- like am I really coming off that towny? I was really ready to start my day on the defense I'm confused as to why I'm not.

Don't worry lol you are not coming off as towny at all.
And you didn't have to start on defense because the beginning of the day was horribly opened by focusing on the concept of no exiling instead of using the time to hunt.

[Swowl]

Actually to that point - NO exile people - why did you feel the need to bring this up at the beginning of the day. You know it would cost us real convo. Why did you not wait some period of time before bringing it up?