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[Swowl]

Oh right, because we'll effectively get investigative PR results earlier while getting rid of an extra townie whose being alive isn't going to give us another day phase. I feel like I get the argument now, but it still doesn't seem as important as making sure we use our day phases efficiently even if we turn out to have nights with an even number of deaths.

I can see that, but I guess it all then depends on how likely we think we are to get an even numer of deaths. A discussion of this seems like a uniquely bad idea though.

That is just it though - for the reason against NoEx. We don't need to talk about it - which I agree is not a great idea. We just have to agree that there are potentially factors that may exist in the game that cause our NoEx to be negated by a PR intervening or altering or whatever. Because of that possibility... would it not be better to wait to no ex until we need to (so to speak)? Like right now we get more info for a flip, so lets take the flip. If we corner ourselves, then we can NoEx then and take the extra day and go for it via best shot or mass claim or whatever it may be.

Is that not strictly better here?

[Swowl]

I also want to bring up the below. Potential reasons why they could of targeted. If you are reading for it... it does appear to be at least somewhat likely that MCMC was softclaiming either something preventative or lover. I hate that this is a thing because I am obv skum reading shraeye and want the option to be the easy thought of "its either shraeye or they chose the most towny person on the other wagon". But ultimately, I think it is probably the accidental lover soft claim that got mcmc the shot here.

Also do we want to discuss the whole no double bomb but potentially multiple nk setup stuff? There aren’t too many roles that can cause those scenarios that I can think of.

Wait you're saying that if there's a Vig, then there's another role that would prevent the double Bomb kill?

If there's a Vig and multiple Bombs, the Vig modification could just be "If you target a Bomb and a different Bomb dies, your kill fails".

There is also the potential of lovers which would cause multiple night deaths just not kills, bodyguard wouldn't affect anything, pretty sure that's it for additional death pr's. Again I think it is likely vague for non-


confirmation reasons not vague for hiding some strange power shenanigans

[Swowl]

Additional small thing was Faust’s resistance to the Shraeye votes.

What about faust's resistance? Were you sheeping his Townread, did his points made sense, or did you not like the heat from him?

Townreadig Joth and faust, and they were both not at all enthusiastic about Shraeye.

Should we do that towncore thing that they do in other communities but we don't really do here because we prefer to constantly distrust each other and stab our supporters in the back like I did to Robz?

What's the towncore thing?

Where a group of folks decide they trust each other (the town core) and work together to eliminate the not-town outside that core before they turn on each other. It hinges on some mutual trust, which Joth points out, we are not so good at

You and I have ended shit on this principle. I am incapable of town reading you right now. help me.

[Swowl]

it should also be mentioned that we have also been extremely wrong when trying this. but still, come on thelma convince me.

[Swowl]

Additional small thing was Faust’s resistance to the Shraeye votes.

What about faust's resistance? Were you sheeping his Townread, did his points made sense, or did you not like the heat from him?

Townreadig Joth and faust, and they were both not at all enthusiastic about Shraeye.

Should we do that towncore thing that they do in other communities but we don't really do here because we prefer to constantly distrust each other and stab our supporters in the back like I did to Robz?

I always do the two core thing. But since it’s often just me it doesn’t always work. My top town now is Swowl. You and faust are still pretty close. And I guess Scola?

I don't know if we have to say this now, but I sure as shit am not starting this underline nonsense again.
PSA - I bolded the quote to stand out.

Didds - Why?

[Swowl]

Cuzz - can you make a case on someone?

[Swowl]

Does anyone want to tell us what the thing was?

I was confused that nobody else knew what the thing was. Mcmcs discussion about joth reminding him they wagon each other. That discussion was not had, mcmcs explanation for what he meant looked like a very thin stretch. Words. He didn't use the right words to describe what I saw in the public thread. I was sure that mcmc had made this note himself in a scum thread somewhere and was misremembering that it wasn't public knowledge.

Thought it was a smoking gun, turns out it was smoked herring.

OK so 3 things here...

1. Joth and MCMC have been on this site together like forever. And I know you are not always in games, but there is like no way in heck you don't know that.
2. The two of them do generally go at it like it is mandatory (not holding that one against you for not knowing).

But then 3.... even with you being here for quite some time, and then somehow not knowing the second thing... how do you look at this and assume that this is what happened? Like, specifically how do you get there before you look at it and say "oh obviously they have played a ton together and that is what they are referencing?"

This just doesn't fit together for me. Someone else tell me I am crazy. (hold on, I will save him the trouble: Awaclus: "you are crazy")

[Swowl]

doing this a lot this game - to be clear... that is not anything game related at Awa - it is a joke.

[Swowl]

Meanwhile, the scummiest player that otherwise would have been dead at any given time during nights will be alive instead, which probably roughly speaking makes VTs and bombs a higher % of townies alive, which increases the likelihood of scum hitting one of them instead of PRs every time they NK someone.

Not sure I follow why more VTs and bombs here?

I also don't get this. Are we just saying that skum is going to remove the skummiest player alive from their kill list?

[Swowl]

faust/Shraeye - if you were around at this point (with 35 minutes to go), where would of you gone (if anywhere)?

Robz888 (5): Awaclus, joth, scolapasta, infangthief, Didds
shraeye (4): Swowl, Jimmmmm, Robz888, mcmcsalot
scolapasta (1):  faust
mcmcsalot (1): shraeye
Awaclus (1): Cuzz

[faust]

Oh right, because we'll effectively get investigative PR results earlier while getting rid of an extra townie whose being alive isn't going to give us another day phase. I feel like I get the argument now, but it still doesn't seem as important as making sure we use our day phases efficiently even if we turn out to have nights with an even number of deaths.

I can see that, but I guess it all then depends on how likely we think we are to get an even numer of deaths. A discussion of this seems like a uniquely bad idea though.

That is just it though - for the reason against NoEx. We don't need to talk about it - which I agree is not a great idea. We just have to agree that there are potentially factors that may exist in the game that cause our NoEx to be negated by a PR intervening or altering or whatever. Because of that possibility... would it not be better to wait to no ex until we need to (so to speak)? Like right now we get more info for a flip, so lets take the flip. If we corner ourselves, then we can NoEx then and take the extra day and go for it via best shot or mass claim or whatever it may be.

Is that not strictly better here?

Well, delaying the No Exile means we have to scumhunt with less ifno on each Day before the No Exile. On the flip side, it means that any town PRs can act with relatively more info each Night because they have the flip from the previous Day.

I don't think one is clearly strictly better than the other. I also don't like to frame this whole discussion in the abstract like this. I am mainly advocating for no exile because of the concrete game situation that we find ourselves in.

[faust]

I also want to bring up the below. Potential reasons why they could of targeted. If you are reading for it... it does appear to be at least somewhat likely that MCMC was softclaiming either something preventative or lover. I hate that this is a thing because I am obv skum reading shraeye and want the option to be the easy thought of "its either shraeye or they chose the most towny person on the other wagon". But ultimately, I think it is probably the accidental lover soft claim that got mcmc the shot here.

I obviously cannot read scum's mind here but... it's pretty hard for me the fathom that anyone would think mcmc is stupid enough to softclaim Lovers.

[faust]

faust/Shraeye - if you were around at this point (with 35 minutes to go), where would of you gone (if anywhere)?

Robz for sure.

[Awaclus]

Meanwhile, the scummiest player that otherwise would have been dead at any given time during nights will be alive instead, which probably roughly speaking makes VTs and bombs a higher % of townies alive, which increases the likelihood of scum hitting one of them instead of PRs every time they NK someone.

Not sure I follow why more VTs and bombs here?

I also don't get this. Are we just saying that skum is going to remove the skummiest player alive from their kill list?

No, we are going to remove the skummiest player alive from our exile list. Because we remove our entire exile list, which consists only of the skummiest player alive, and go for no exile instead.

I am not advocating that we should do this, but it is what would happen if we did do it.

[Jimmmmm]

I’m happy with where we are. I think there’s a decent chance we hit with Robz and if we miss it’ll be informational.

Do you still find the Robz exile informational? Any conclusions to share?

[jotheonah]

I’m happy with where we are. I think there’s a decent chance we hit with Robz and if we miss it’ll be informational.

Do you still find the Robz exile informational? Any conclusions to share?

TBH not as informational as I was hoping. But I haven't done a proper re-read yet. I don't have the luxury of doing that kind of deep play during the workday, but TGIF. I should have time tonight or tomorrow. Robz voted a lot and was voted for a lot. mcmc too. And they were both pretty active posters (mcmc moreso than Robz). So there's definitely data.

[infangthief]

Why bring mcmc into this? Jimmmmm was asking about your happiness with a Robz exile.

[jotheonah]

I was responding to the question of if the Robz interview was informational, but as I was answering it of course I started to consider the other information newly available to me.

[infangthief]

Newly available? The information that mcmc died overnight has been publicly available for 36 hours now.

[Awaclus]

Vote: fang

[jotheonah]

Newly available? The information that mcmc died overnight has been publicly available for 36 hours now.

And the information that Robz was town has been publicly available even longer. Obviously I was speaking relative to when I made that post, i.e. Newly available as of the beginning of this in-game day.

[infangthief]

Just seemed an odd thing to feel the need to emphasize.

Coupled with your "I was expecting to need to defend myself for making the Robz exile happen", I am up for vote: jotheonah again.

[infangthief]

I suppose really it was the "to me" which did it.

[jotheonah]

alright, I'm game for vote: infangthief

Who needs a gladiator bomb when you can make your own 1v1s?

[infangthief]

alright, I'm game for vote: infangthief

Who needs a gladiator bomb when you can make your own 1v1s?

If only there were some way of guaranteeing that one of us was scum.