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Trickster + Capital
« on: May 01, 2024, 10:58:49 am »
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When Trickster sets aside Capital, what's the sequence of events? Do you still get 6 Debt?

I believe, Capital is being set aside by Trickster before its below line triggered, but dominion.games thinks differently
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Re: Trickster + Capital
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2024, 11:18:10 am »
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When Trickster sets aside Capital, what's the sequence of events? Do you still get 6 Debt?

I believe, Capital is being set aside by Trickster before its below line triggered, but dominion.games thinks differently

2 different things trigger from the same event (Capital being discarded), so you get to choose the order.

1. You take 6 debt and can pay off debt.
2. You set Capital aside.

You can do these 2 things in any order. However, it doesn't matter which order you choose, since neither of them can affect the outcome of the other.

It sounds like you were thinking that Trickster would set aside the Capital instead of discarding it, but that's not the case. Trickster responds to when Capital is discarded.
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Re: Trickster + Capital
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2024, 09:37:41 pm »
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I am not getting it.

After Trickster sets Capital aside, it is not going to be discarded from play any more, so the "take debt" effect shouldn't be triggered
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Re: Trickster + Capital
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2024, 09:44:04 pm »
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I think the point is, Trickster doesn't set Capital aside until after it's discarded.
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Re: Trickster + Capital
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2024, 05:20:24 am »
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Exactly.

What players (me included) usually pyhsically do when they have a Trickster in play and it is time to do cleanup, is to select a Treasure card (say a Gold), set it aside and put their other cards in play into their disard pile (assuming no other cleanup effects, duration cards, etc).

This is technically wrong!

Technically the Treasure card is discarded, and then gotten out of the discard pile and set aside from there. Doing it "wrong" physically for the overwhelming number of cases where Trickster is the only discard related effect for that Treasure card (and so doing it that way doesn't matter) may condition players to incorrectly assume that that Treasure card isn't discarded when it actutally matters (like with Capital).
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Re: Trickster + Capital
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2024, 11:47:40 am »
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Contrast this with Crypt, for example, which does prevent debt from being gained. Trickster says "when you discard a Treasure from play ..." and takes effect at Clean-Up. Crypt takes effect before Clean-Up, during your Night phase. So, when Clean-Up begins, those cards are no longer present to be discarded

If Trickster had said something like "at the end of your Buy phase, you may set aside a Treasure card in play that you would discard ..." then it would prevent the debt from being gained because it wouldn't be present to be discarded at Clean-Up (in practice such a hypothetical variant would rarely differ in effect from the actual version - Capital's the only exception I can think of)
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