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[abifail]

recently got back into dominion and am enjoying all the fun engines i can build in this game. but got a kingdom that i just couldn't work out how to build a engine from and was wondering what the best way to play it would be.

bureaucrat - market - moat - cellar - vassal - witch - poacher - moat - remodel - smithy 

[Jack Rudd]

Yeah, there's no engine on that one. Big Money with two Witches might be competitive, or maybe there's some sort of Good Stuff Deck with a bunch of Markets and one Witch, and maybe a Cellar or two.

[GendoIkari]

Yeah, there's no engine on that one. Big Money with two Witches might be competitive, or maybe there's some sort of Good Stuff Deck with a bunch of Markets and one Witch, and maybe a Cellar or two.

Wouldn’t you always buy Poacher over Silver on $4?

[dirkdebeule]

Yeah, there's no engine on that one. Big Money with two Witches might be competitive, or maybe there's some sort of Good Stuff Deck with a bunch of Markets and one Witch, and maybe a Cellar or two.

Wouldn’t you always buy Poacher over Silver on $4?

At least one or two

[dirkdebeule]

What card is the second Moat supposed to be?

[Geronimoo]

I fired up the simulator to solve this. Best strategy is Double Witch + 1 Moat. Open Silver/Moat or Witch/Moat. Buy the first Witch over Gold. Then just get Money.
Adding Poacher(s) is terrible, plummeting the win rate to 41%.
Adding Markets drops the win rate by 1%.

Interestingly in a 4-player game the optimal strategies change. If 3 players play Witch you should not buy Witch, just Moats. If 2 players play Witch then they win against 2 Moat players. And 1 Witch crushes 3 Moat players.

[J Reggie]

What card is the second Moat supposed to be?

Is it Moat?

[dirkdebeule]

What card is the second Moat supposed to be?

Is it Moat?

What am I missing?
I only count 9 cards in the Kingdom.
And a second (mistyped?) Moat, not?

[J Reggie]

What card is the second Moat supposed to be?

Is it Moat?

What am I missing?
I only count 9 cards in the Kingdom.
And a second (mistyped?) Moat, not?

It's an f.DS meme from back in the day. I just couldn't resist.

[Yitzi]

Yeah, there's no engine on that one. Big Money with two Witches might be competitive, or maybe there's some sort of Good Stuff Deck with a bunch of Markets and one Witch, and maybe a Cellar or two.

Wouldn’t you always buy Poacher over Silver on $4?

Not necessarily.  If someone gets Witch, it won't be long until Poacher has to discard...and even before, a deck with a bunch of curses gets significantly less benefit from that +1 card, so the extra coin may be better.

[Yitzi]

I fired up the simulator to solve this. Best strategy is Double Witch + 1 Moat. Open Silver/Moat or Witch/Moat. Buy the first Witch over Gold. Then just get Money.
Adding Poacher(s) is terrible, plummeting the win rate to 41%.
Adding Markets drops the win rate by 1%.

Interestingly in a 4-player game the optimal strategies change. If 3 players play Witch you should not buy Witch, just Moats. If 2 players play Witch then they win against 2 Moat players. And 1 Witch crushes 3 Moat players.

Because the more witches there are that other players don't have, the more your moats will block.  With enough moats, you'll get fewer curses from the witches other players play than the players with witches will.