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* Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« on: December 16, 2022, 03:00:06 am »
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You've seen all the themes; here then are just some cards I want to show off.



Taskmaster is a tricky village. It can be there for you turn after turn, if you keep working on those $5's.

King's Cache is the King's Court for Treasures that you never knew you needed.

First Mate is a tricky draw-to-X card. It can be a big village and draw a bunch of cards, or not do much at all.

Shaman is the inverse Cathedral. This game, the junk will keep coming; you will have to figure out something there.



Journey is an exotic extra turn, where you won't get to use the cards from this turn on that turn. And it messes with stuff like Swamp Shacks.

Cursed gets Loots into the Traits; some card this game will come with two more cards. Yes now you will have to be clearer as to what you mean when you refer to a Cursed Village. You can also have a Cursed Cursed Village or a Cursed Blessed Village.

And Patient, which waited its turn, makes a card easy to play, if you're willing to wait for it.

That's 20 cards, 15 landscapes, and 15 Loots, from this monstrous expansion. Which we currently expect on Monday online, and around Monday in physical form.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2022, 03:20:47 am »
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Imagine Swindling someoneís Silver into a Cursed Experiment (though the 2 Loots somewhat make up for the double-cursing).  Or buying Messenger and giving everyone a Cursed Port, which comes with a second Port, 2 Curses, and 2 Loots.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2022, 03:39:31 am »
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Taskmaster looks slightly weaker than Fishing Village, unless you achieve super-consistency concerning gaining $5s. But Fishing Village is pretty strong anyway and Taskmaster is less automatic and thus more interesting.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2022, 04:00:33 am »
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Shaman is the new Ambassador
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2022, 04:09:08 am »
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I needed a moment to get there on Taskmaster, at first glance I thought it was a strictly worse Fishing Village. I don't think it's obvious from the text that it can stay out multiple turns.

I think I will prefer Shaman to Ambassador, as far as fun is concerned.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2022, 04:10:02 am »
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Just launched into the game not having seen this... got Pious Siren + Shaman. Absolutely hilarious.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2022, 04:59:36 am »
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Just launched into the game not having seen this... got Pious Siren + Shaman. Absolutely hilarious.
The older Donald gets, the sicker his mind  ;D
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2022, 06:24:34 am »
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Taskmaster in a Duke Game  ;)
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2022, 07:37:54 am »
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I think Taskmaster is the first time we've seen the phrasing of "repeat this ability" on a Dominion card. Is there a reason it's not just "at the start of your next turn, play this again."?
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2022, 07:53:29 am »
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I think Journey might have a shot at most beginner-friendly extra turn. Most of the extra-turn features have weird drawbacks like limiting card plays that less-hardcore fans will have a tough time remembering, much less making good use of, but just leaving all of the cards you canít use out of your deck anyways will automatically keep the restriction in mind - you canít draw what isnít in your deck, after all.

On top of that, newbies never draw deck anyways, so a Journey turn will usually be as good as a regular turn for them.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2022, 08:25:29 am »
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Shaman finally lets us open $4-$3-Zombie-Zombie.
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2022, 08:30:41 am »
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Shaman finally lets us open $4-$3-Zombie-Zombie.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2022, 08:47:25 am »
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I think Taskmaster is the first time we've seen the phrasing of "repeat this ability" on a Dominion card. Is there a reason it's not just "at the start of your next turn, play this again."?
To keep it from being the first card played for the purposes of Landing Party.
I think that a better wording would be:

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At the start of each of your turns while this is in play:
+1 Action
+$1
If you end your turn without gaining a card costing up to $5, discard this from play.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2022, 08:52:16 am »
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I think Taskmaster is the first time we've seen the phrasing of "repeat this ability" on a Dominion card. Is there a reason it's not just "at the start of your next turn, play this again."?
To keep it from being the first card played for the purposes of Landing Party.
I think that a better wording would be:

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At the start of each of your turns while this is in play:
+1 Action
+$1
If you end your turn without gaining a card costing up to $5, discard this from play.
This wording is no good because it would mean Taskmaster is always discarded at the end of your turn (there is no future effect that it needs to remain in play for).
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2022, 09:29:23 am »
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I think Journey might have a shot at most beginner-friendly extra turn.

I get what you're saying about it being simple with just playing an extra regular turn, but there are tons of "this turn" cards that will confuse newbies why they don't work. Like if you played a Priest on your initial turn, it's still sitting right there in play, but it's not going to give you money for trashing on your extra turn like a newbie might expect.
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2022, 09:33:25 am »
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I think Taskmaster is the first time we've seen the phrasing of "repeat this ability" on a Dominion card. Is there a reason it's not just "at the start of your next turn, play this again."?
To keep it from being the first card played for the purposes of Landing Party.
I think that a better wording would be:

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At the start of each of your turns while this is in play:
+1 Action
+$1
If you end your turn without gaining a card costing up to $5, discard this from play.
This wording is no good because it would mean Taskmaster is always discarded at the end of your turn (there is no future effect that it needs to remain in play for).

Oh whoops I meant to write "for the rest of the game" not "while this is in play"
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2022, 09:35:22 am »
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Wouldn't "for the rest of the game" still be in effect even if you later discarded it? Kinda like if you Procession a Hireling -- you still get the draw even though it's not in play.

Edit: bad example, Procession is non-duration these days. Still, you get the idea.
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2022, 10:00:00 am »
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Shaman is going to have some weird effects with trashing attacks and trash for benefit. Also cards like Pillage will be really weird. I play a Pillage, it self-trashes, then my opponent gains it ...

If Feast were still in the game, that would be a really weird interaction too

New cursing attack: Buy a Curse with a Watchtower in hand in a game with Shaman ...
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2022, 10:14:45 am »
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Cathedral + Shaman would be a weird combination. If both players have Cathedral, and there's nothing sending good stuff to the trash like trashing attacks, then Shaman is basically cancelling out Cathedral, so there wouldn't be much point in buying it

On the other hand, if your opponent buys Cathedral, then you pretty much have to follow suit, otherwise all their trash is going to end up in your deck

Trash for benefit + anything giving you an extra turn will be really good in a Shaman game, letting you get back the card you trashed on your regular turn in your extra turn
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Re: * Plunder Previews #5: More Stuff *
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2022, 10:17:55 am »
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I'm really surprised King's Cache is able to cost $7 without any extra abilities while Tiara needs a buy and topdecking to cost the same as Throne Room.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2022, 10:28:28 am »
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I'm really surprised King's Cache is able to cost $7 without any extra abilities while Tiara needs a buy and topdecking to cost the same as Throne Room.

Well, it's easy for it to be a net +$6, so in a lot of games it'll already be more valuable than Platinum, as long as you've also bought some Golds. And in games with things like Bank it could get really ridiculous
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2022, 10:43:41 am »
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Also cards like Pillage will be really weird. I play a Pillage, it self-trashes, then my opponent gains it ...

Thatís hilarious. Canít wait to play that exact kingdom.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2022, 10:48:56 am »
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I'm really surprised King's Cache is able to cost $7 without any extra abilities while Tiara needs a buy and topdecking to cost the same as Throne Room.

Although I'm not an expert, my take is this: King's Cache is a reasonable $7 card. King's Court is a crazy-strong $7 card. It's not King's Cache that's the outlier here.
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2022, 11:34:58 am »
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I'm really surprised King's Cache is able to cost $7 without any extra abilities while Tiara needs a buy and topdecking to cost the same as Throne Room.

Although I'm not an expert, my take is this: King's Cache is a reasonable $7 card. King's Court is a crazy-strong $7 card. It's not King's Cache that's the outlier here.

I would have to disagree with you. You are an expert.

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2022, 11:42:55 am »
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I think Taskmaster is the first time we've seen the phrasing of "repeat this ability" on a Dominion card. Is there a reason it's not just "at the start of your next turn, play this again."?

Among other reasons, it would trigger the Adventures tokens (and maybe Traits, if any give an on-play bonus) each time. 

I think Journey might have a shot at most beginner-friendly extra turn.

I get what you're saying about it being simple with just playing an extra regular turn, but there are tons of "this turn" cards that will confuse newbies why they don't work. Like if you played a Priest on your initial turn, it's still sitting right there in play, but it's not going to give you money for trashing on your extra turn like a newbie might expect.

I think Journey might end up being my favorite extra-turn Event. I feel like I generally look to grab Seize the Day later in the game when I come up with nothing but Silver - Silver or Copper - Gold. Those would be exactly the turns on which you'd want to buy it (since you're not locking yourself out of too much of your deck).
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