Topic: Dominion Quardle (Read 10262 times)

infangthief · « **Reply #50 on:** March 25, 2022, 04:48:52 am »

Quote from: mathdude on March 24, 2022, 09:34:51 pm

I was shocked it took so long. It was convenient that 2 or 3 of the selected cards were village-variants, so we basically ran the list of different-cost village cards... except we skipped $4. But all the guesses were directed at other cards, seemingly, not so much directed at my card. So now that we've finally looped back to a $4 village...

I guessed Border Village instead of one of the $4 villages precisely because the $4 ones would be indistinguishable!

infangthief · « **Reply #51 on:** March 25, 2022, 04:57:02 am »

Council Room	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Farming Village	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Great Hall	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Horse Traders	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Grand Market	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies

Today's guess: Grand Market

Jack Rudd · « **Reply #52 on:** March 25, 2022, 07:43:01 am »

Grand Market was my card. Well played, fang.

I'll think of another one in a bit.

vidicate · « **Reply #53 on:** March 25, 2022, 11:37:50 am »

Grand Market

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Copies

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Cost

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Handsize

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Illustrator’s initials

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Payout

vidicate · « **Reply #54 on:** March 26, 2022, 10:55:04 am »

Sorry, I never got a guess in yesterday.
Farmers’ Market

vidicate · « **Reply #55 on:** March 27, 2022, 08:43:16 pm »

Grand Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Farmers’ Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout

Sunday’s guess: Importer

I asked this same question in the Cardle thread:
For “payout” have people been judging… • how close it matches to your card on each and all of the items • how close the sum of all items is to the total of your card (example: Monument = 3) • using an unknown method for us to discern?
Personally, I’m doing more of a gut-check on if it’s in the same vein or not as my card with regards to the listed items (coins/coffers, +vps, buys, favors). It gets a green if it’s equivalent, or near enough, and orange if it kinda/sorta does a similar thing.

infangthief · « **Reply #56 on:** March 28, 2022, 03:56:29 am »

Council Room	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Farming Village	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Great Hall	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Horse Traders	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Grand Market	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Farmers' Market	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Importer	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Plunder	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies

Today's guess: Plunder

I'm judging payout to be green if all of coins, coffers, buys, favors and VPs are exactly right. Orange means at least one element matches exactly, or overlaps if there are multiple possibilities. And I'm allowing coins/coffers to be interchangeable when looking for orange.

infangthief · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2022, 04:06:41 am »

Quote from: infangthief on March 28, 2022, 03:56:29 am

I'm judging payout to be green if all of coins, coffers, buys, favors and VPs are exactly right. Orange means at least one non-zero element matches exactly, or overlaps if there are multiple possibilities. And I'm allowing coins/coffers to be interchangeable when looking for orange.

Added that for orange it has to be a "non-zero" element that matches. If your guess and my card both give 0 Favors, that's not enough to get orange.

vidicate · « **Reply #58 on:** March 28, 2022, 04:36:42 pm »

Grand Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Farmers’ Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Importer	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Plunder	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout

Monday’s guess: Oasis

If that’s not yours, infangthief, I give up lol. I’m embarrassed how many (more complex than Oasis) dead-ends I went down trying to match all the properties with all the clues so far. The payout was what I kept focusing on, and it was throwing me for a loop or three, before I finally arrived at disappearing +1 coin. The Plunder helped rule out +VP, thank you.

infangthief · « **Reply #59 on:** March 29, 2022, 02:10:46 am »

Council Room	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Farming Village	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Great Hall	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Horse Traders	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Grand Market	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Farmers' Market	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Importer	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Plunder	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies
Oasis	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Copies

Well done, it is Oasis.

Today's guess: Princess

vidicate · « **Reply #60 on:** March 29, 2022, 01:39:06 pm »

Grand Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Farmers’ Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Importer	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Plunder	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Oasis	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Princess	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout

I hope this game didn’t die already.
PSA: Anyone can jump in at anytime. And I don’t think there’s a player limit, just as long as you have a card in mind and track others’ guesses against it.

I’ll put my next guess up later, if people are still playing …

infangthief · « **Reply #61 on:** March 30, 2022, 04:50:07 am »

Yes, more people should join! I think it'll be best with like 8-10.

The one-guess-per-day rule is designed to balance it out between people who are always on and less frequent visitors.

I have a card. Same categories as before, except "Types" instead of "Copies".

Princess	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Platinum	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types

Today's guess: Platinum

vidicate · « **Reply #62 on:** March 30, 2022, 12:39:57 pm »

Grand Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Farmers’ Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Importer	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Plunder	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Oasis	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Princess	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Platinum	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout

Fun fact: Ryan Laukat, illustrator of the cover art for Hinterlands and a number of Dominion cards (including Farmers’ Market and Platinum above), is also a brilliant game designer and president of Red Raven Games together with his wife, Malorie. I own Near and Far myself — a beautiful adventure (campaign) game with worker placement and storybook mechanics.

Today’s guess: Villa

infangthief · « **Reply #63 on:** March 31, 2022, 05:15:41 am »

Princess	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Platinum	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Villa	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Opulent Castle	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types

Today's guess: Opulent Castle

I'm rather lost trying to figure out your card vidicate.
For "Copies" are you assuming 4-player game, or something else? Also, are you including landscapes and if so would "Copies" be 1 for most of them, or something else?
For "Cost" would you give orange if the cost has an * ? Eg Princess would be orange for cost if your card was a Ruin?

My conclusions so far:
- Copies is not 1, 5, 10 or 12.
- Cost is not 0, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 9.
- Payout involves Coins/Coffers and probably doesn't involve Buys or VP.
- Illustrator's Initials include L and either A or D (probably D).

What could it be?
- Shelters (4 copies, cost 1) - none of them appear to work for Payout or Initials.
- $2 Heirlooms (4 copies) - none of them appear to work for Initials.
- Cards in rotating piles (4 copies) - only Town Crier has a cost that could work, but doesn't work for Handsize or Initials.
- Castles (2 copies of some) - don't work for Initials.
- Imp (13 copies, cost 2) - doesn't work for Payout or Initials.
- Ruins (0-10 copies) - doesn't work for Cost.
- All other non-standard size piles have some cost that I have ruled out, I think.

infangthief · « **Reply #64 on:** March 31, 2022, 06:03:51 am »

Quote from: infangthief on March 31, 2022, 05:15:41 am

My conclusions so far:
- Copies is not 1, 5, 10 or 12.
- Cost is not 0, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 9.
- Payout involves Coins/Coffers and probably doesn't involve Buys or VP.
- Illustrator's Initials include L and either A or D (probably D).

Actually, we didn't cover $4 cost, did we? I got confused between Farmer's Market and Farming Village. So it could be a $4...
And Initials doesn't have to include L. I've got {A or D}, {R or L}, {L or I} and not {M, A or C}. So D + L seems most likely, but it could by D + R + I.

infangthief · « **Reply #65 on:** March 31, 2022, 06:15:17 am »

Ah, and there is this note on the List of Illustrators wiki page: "Prior to Allies, Alayna Danner was credited as Alayna Lemmer".
So that makes things work. I know what it is now

Rescinding my guess of Opulent Castle. I'm sure no-one will mind as no-one else seems to be playing at the moment.

Cursed Gold

infangthief · « **Reply #66 on:** March 31, 2022, 06:18:31 am »

Princess	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Platinum	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Villa	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Opulent Castle	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types
Cursed Gold	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Actions	\|	Payout	\|	Types

vidicate · « **Reply #67 on:** March 31, 2022, 11:05:25 am »

Grand Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Farmers’ Market	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Importer	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Plunder	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Oasis	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Princess	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Platinum	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Villa	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout
Cursed Gold	\|	Copies	\|	Cost	\|	Handsize	\|	Illustrator’s initials	\|	Payout

Yup! I was trying to do a tricky one, but not *that* tricky, lol. Sorry about the Danner/Lemmer thing; it’s Lemmer in all the physical and digital “copies” of Oasis. Although if the “D” was relevant, I would have done orange/green for it as appropriate. (And if you hadn’t already gotten my card, I would have cleared this up after seeing your comments.)

So yeah, I was like “he must have a lock on ‘L’, and just needs to look through the illustrator list for cards with weird 4-player copies”. The other funny thing is I would have unwittingly given it away once I judged Villa. I was only focused on your card with that guess, and didn’t even check the illustrator

That brings up a separate dilemma I had. There were reasons to judge Villa as either orange or red for “payout”, based on previous cards Grand Market and Farmers’ Market. In the end (not that it matters now) I decided that if I did it red, then that would signal my card had exactly $2 payout. (*None of the cards so far had a naked $2 payout, I realized. *Farmers’ Market was ‘red’ mostly because it had too many payout types and only narrowly overlapped with my card, and I didn’t want to be too generous and possibly throw people off.)

I’ll be back later with my new guess and card.

infangthief · « **Reply #68 on:** March 31, 2022, 11:49:43 am »

Yes, would have been funny when you scored Villa. Which is why I was keen to revise my guess before you did that to show that I'd worked it out myself!

Happy to keep going with just the two of us - it makes it quite tactical, guessing cards which don't give away your own card.

Would also be great if more people joined in too.

weretheruler · « **Reply #69 on:** March 31, 2022, 02:43:09 pm »

I'll join in.
Categories: Words in name, cost, expansion, set of numbers on the card, set of mechanics (gain, trash, buy, play, action, vp) on the card

It's possible to be green on words in name and not correctly guess the card.

"mechanics on the card" is based on what key words are on the card so all Action cards have "action" and Black Market does not have "gain".

My guess is "Native Village"

Native Village

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Words in name

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Cost

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Expansion

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Set of Numbers

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Set of Mechanics

weretheruler · « **Reply #70 on:** March 31, 2022, 02:46:31 pm »

Words in name is more inclusive than this: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21117.0 I'm counting words within words as name, so if the cart was Mint then Platinum would get a yellow (from "in")

also I never log in on weekends

vidicate · « **Reply #71 on:** March 31, 2022, 03:02:26 pm »

I am struggling with your card, @fang. You’ve graded “payout” consistently, right? It can’t be buys because Princess. It’s 1 (or variably 1) coin/coffer per Villa. And Opulent Castle could mean that it’s sometimes 2 coin/coffer, but it could also just mean that sometimes there’s no payout. For now I’m ruling out any amount over 2 per the other guesses. I may be slightly misinterpreting Villa and/or your card is some kind of “choose” card, but that still is taking me to dead ends.

Side note, nothing to do with above: I’m not a fan of doing landscapes, unless the categories can reasonably apply to it—“types” would be a good one so that the person can rule out Action, Treasure, Victory, Night to determine it’s not a card (Curse and Hovel notwithstanding). Also need to be careful of referencing it in a way that would make it have to be a card (obvious example—using the word “card”).

I have a card in mind. It should be a less tricky one this go-around. I will post the categories and apply recent guess(es) to it in the next couple hours.

infangthief · « **Reply #72 on:** March 31, 2022, 03:51:35 pm »

Quote from: vidicate on March 31, 2022, 03:02:26 pm

I am struggling with your card, @fang. You’ve graded “payout” consistently, right? It can’t be buys because Princess. It’s 1 (or variably 1) coin/coffer per Villa. And Opulent Castle could mean that it’s sometimes 2 coin/coffer, but it could also just mean that sometimes there’s no payout. For now I’m ruling out any amount over 2 per the other guesses. I may be slightly misinterpreting Villa and/or your card is some kind of “choose” card, but that still is taking me to dead ends.

Yeh, what exactly I'm counting as orange for "Payout" might be slightly different this time than last time - it depends a bit on the card I've picked. I think my scoring of all guesses for this card is consistent and makes sense given what the card is.

infangthief · « **Reply #73 on:** March 31, 2022, 03:54:08 pm »

Quote from: weretheruler on March 31, 2022, 02:43:09 pm

I'll join in.
Categories: Words in name, cost, expansion, set of numbers on the card, set of mechanics (gain, trash, buy, play, action, vp) on the card

It's possible to be green on words in name and not correctly guess the card.

"mechanics on the card" is based on what key words are on the card so all Action cards have "action" and Black Market does not have "gain".

My guess is "Native Village"

Native Village | Words in name | Cost | Expansion | Set of Numbers | Set of Mechanics

Cool, welcome.
An all red start

I've already had my guess for today, will take a guess tomorrow. Vidicate is probably lining one up.

@mathdude, @Jack Rudd, want to rejoin?
Anyone else?

vidicate · « **Reply #74 on:** March 31, 2022, 04:42:21 pm »

@weretheruler Welcome! Whether you’re a long-time lurker, or just been up to other things (describing myself in both cases), we’re glad to have you. And I’m digging your categories!

@infangthief Well as much as I’d love to go for the kill, I’m too confused

so a simpler card might help me/us lock-on to your card.

Thursday’s guess: Fortune Teller

For my own card, I’m doing Actions, Cost, Handsize, First letter of its name, and Number of types.
(Stay tuned for the return of illustrators, colors (from other thread), and I’m digging the sets (digits, mechanics) you guys are doing.)

Native Village	\|	Actions	\|	Cost	\|	First letter	\|	Handsize	\|	No. types
Fortune Teller	\|	Actions	\|	Cost	\|	First letter	\|	Handsize	\|	No. types

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