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[scolapasta]

Question about the rules: can you clarify this one:

You must not Guess a word that was previously Guessed. You should not Select, Reject or Propose words which were previously Guessed.

I guess mostly the "should not" part. i.e. is it allowed? if so, how does that work for Select especially, given that you cannot Guess.

[infangthief]

Guess gets a "must not" because it is enforceable - on turn 7 I would not have been allowed to guess Doctor, because that had been guessed previously.

When you make a Guess, it must not be a previously guessed word - that is enforceable so it makes sense to say "must not".
When you Select, Reject or Propose a word, it is just via a clue, so no-one actually knows what words you are thinking about. But it is a bad idea to think about a previously guessed word because if there is a challenge then you will run into trouble at that point. Hence "should not".

[infangthief]

fang, if you are willing, it would really help to see how the scores have been allotted so far. I tried to figure it out, but ran into questions.

As of turn 7:
EFHW took turn 2 (10 points) and turn 5 (1 point) = 11
scolapasta took turn 6 (10 points) and successfully challenged turn 4 (1 point) = 11
silverspawn took turn 1 (10 points) and turn 4 (1 point, +1 extra because turn 4 was pre-challenged), but failed the challenge (-2 points) = 10
infangthief took turn 7 (10 points) = 10
Galzria took turn 3 (10 points), but failed the challenge (-2 points) = 8

[Swowl]

Galz just literally poked me in the face. What’s going on here then?

[infangthief]

Hi Swowl! I'll attempt a brief imprecise summary; might be useful to all of us to explain it from a different angle. (Full rules and scoring are in post #1.)

We've had 8 turns of clueing and guessing words from this grid.
Each guess should fit both of the two previous clues.
Each clue needs to target one of the words that was targeted by the previous clue. It also needs to target 2 new words.
Why 2 new words and not just 1? To make it hard/interesting.
And if you are challenged, you need to be able to say what both of the previous player's new words were and which one your clue has selected.
Turns can be taken any time, but not by either of the last 2 players.
You can challenge any clue at any time, but you can't challenge a clue from a turn either side of one of your turns.

Here is the grid after turn 8. Guessed words are in orange and may not be reused:

TEAR	BLIZZARD	HELICOPTER	EAGLE
DOCTOR	MAKEUP	REVOLUTION	ANTHEM
BUNK	ZOMBIE	CAESAR	LAB
ROULETTE	HOTEL	SCARECROW	OLYMPUS

Turn 1
flying: 2

Turn 2
American: 3

Turn 3:
Guess: Eagle
Clue: War: 3

Turn 4
Guess: Revolution
Clue: Human: 3

Turn 4 was successfully pre-challenged by scolapasta.

Turn 5
Guess: Caesar
Clue: Eye: 3

Turn 6
Guess: Doctor
Clue: Watery: 3

Turn 7
Guess: Tear
Clue: Refuge: 3

Turn 8
Guess: Blizzard
Clue: Casino

Scores:
EFHW 12
scolapasta 11
silverspawn 10
infangthief 10
Galzria 8
everyone else on f.ds 0 (just to make us feel better)

Turn 9 may be taken by anyone other than EFHW or infangthief.

[silverspawn]

Challenge clue Casino by EFHW

[infangthief]

Challenge clue Casino by EFHW

Ok, so EFHW and I both need to PM silverspawn with which words we think were selected and rejected by that clue.

[infangthief]

Also, silverspawn cannot take turn 9.
So turn 9 needs to be Galzria, scolapasta, or someone new.

Also, if someone takes turn 9 before silverspawn reports back challenge results then that player may gain or lose a point for their guess. But only if EFHW and I agree on the selected and rejected words.

[silverspawn]

Challenge results:
EFHW and infangthief both
Select Hotel
Reject Bunk

[infangthief]

Hmm, so here's something missing from the rules.
Does the next player have to guess Hotel? Or can they guess something different? There are no points at stake for the guess, now that the challenge results are back.

I want to rule that the next player has to guess Hotel.
But I'm not sure what the rule would be if EFHW and I had disagreed about what word was selected.

[infangthief]

For the time being (in case it comes up in this game), I'm going to rule that if EFHW and I had disagreed about the selected word then the next player would be free to "guess" any unguessed word from the grid, effectively getting rid of some word they don't like.

But as we agreed on Hotel, the next player must "guess" Hotel.

I'll try to find some way to write this in a more intuitive way!

[Galzria]

Guess: Hotel
Clue: Bond: 3

[scolapasta]

Turn 10:
Guess: Roulette
Clue: Halloween: 3

[Swowl]

cool. let's see if I got this right.

Turn 11
Guess: MAKEUP
Clue: DECAPITATION 3

[Galzria]

Turn 12:
Guess: Zombie
Clue: Military: 3

[scolapasta]

Turn 13:
Guess: Helicopter
Clue: Sports: 3

[EFHW]

Turn 14
Guess: Anthem
Clue: Film: 3

[EFHW]

TEAR	BLIZZARD	HELICOPTER	EAGLE
DOCTOR	MAKEUP	REVOLUTION	ANTHEM
BUNK	ZOMBIE	CAESAR	LAB
ROULETTE	HOTEL	SCARECROW	OLYMPUS

[Swowl]

what's the timing rule for Challenges?
Like no go after the snap? or can we go back and challenge previous Turns?

[Swowl]

Turn 15
Guess: OLYMPUS
Clue: DARK

[Swowl]

this is a very fun/interesting version of the game.

[EFHW]

this is a very fun/interesting version of the game.

Agree!

[Galzria]

what's the timing rule for Challenges?
Like no go after the snap? or can we go back and challenge previous Turns?

I believe per the rules you can back date challenges, just be clear what you’re challenging

[infangthief]

what's the timing rule for Challenges?
Like no go after the snap? or can we go back and challenge previous Turns?

I believe per the rules you can back date challenges, just be clear what you’re challenging

You can back-date challenges, but once turn 15 has been taken no more challenges can be made.

3.3. Game end

• The end of the game is triggered by someone taking turn 15.
• No new challenges may be made after this time, but challenges made before this time still need to be resolved.
• Once all challenges have been resolved, final ranking is done by score.

[infangthief]

Well that ended quickly!
I hope you all enjoyed it. What seemed to work well or not?
And of course we're all free now to talk about what our clues really meant. EFHW, what was your third casino word?

I'll work out the final scoring shortly.